"Growing up godless"--America's secular families raising kids are doing "quite well"

Unless you're inventing your own language, it does.

LOL What research and what data are you referring to?

Again, what are you talking about? You are disputing the use of the religion and you are incorrect in your assertions about its meaning.

I am disputing your use of the word religious, not the OP.

 

No I have my answers.

Doesn't do much to prove it does it.

But I as asked about logic and reason and it's origins.

Just like unicorns and men from Mars.

No you are born without any beliefs if you develop them you develop them.

Do unicorns and men from Mars exist? Do Genies granting three wishes exist?

Man "learned" to believe in gods because they have no explanations for things they did not understand. Hardly sound reasoning.

 

No, it doesn't. You can refer to the actual definitions all you want (you're terribly hung up on them right now) but when they are the reason your data is flawed and/or incorrect, then you need a different means of dividing up your population.

You clearly aren't educated in this area and I've clearly wasted my time.

What the entire thread is about and what I've been referring to the entire time. What's in the article. What every conclusion is incorrectly been drawn from.

so you're off topic.....good day.

 

An atheist myself, but it's most likely a demographic thing. Correct for age, race, and income and they'd likely be quite similar.

 

Why should we take your comparison seriously?

 

Well to start with Atheists make up 2.4% of the population. But, and I can't explain their thinking on this, 14% of Atheists say they believe in God. No joke.

As far as them having lower prison rates - it seems pretty obvious to me that it's because of education. Atheists are more likely to be higher educated, higher education corresponds strongly with low rates of crime. That and people turn to God a lot in prison b/c, you know, prison sucks.

But it'd require either a gross misunderstanding or listening only to the most crazy (which is usually a deliberate misunderstanding) to actually think that the religious have widely been saying that children being raised "Godless" would lead to higher incarceration rates. There are a plethora of things that the Church despises that people can do perfectly legally.

 

Ya know...its funny how you can find something to support your argument no matter what it is if you look hard enough.

http://www.oncentral.org/news/2012/11/02/religion-improves-high-school-graduation-college-e/

 

Humanity and our civil society. Why do you need supernatural beings to threaten you into yours or even tell you how to be a moral and civil person?

Again it was revealed tomorrow that the biblical stories were all made up that there are no gods would you suddenly lose your morals.and principles? Would you suddenly belief murder and rape and robbery are OK?

 

How do I "live my life" that makes it "more different" from someone who believes in supernatural beings?

 

Stalin bootstrapped his morality. Why is yours different?

 

Why not? Without evidence of those things why should I believe in them and does it necessarily lable me because I don't?

 

From your link 9.4% of Americans are atheist, "More Americans say they do not believe in God or a universal spirit (7%) than say they are atheists (2.4%)."

No matter what anyone calls themselves or others call them, IF they do not believe in a god they ARE atheists.
IF they say they believe in a god they are NOT atheists, they just have no idea what "atheist" means...

 

Dodge noted. I provided my answer to your question, answer mine.

BTW are you asserting Buddhist have no morals?

 

I knew you would punt. Go away.

As an atheist, I won't defend the Bible. And you won't defend your morality because you can't.

 

But I did, dodge noted again.

 

Own fail, Baby. And I predicted it.

 

No baby, you got your answer now address it or dodge, your choice.

So are Buddhist immoral, without moral beliefs?

 

1. We are not dealing with European folklore. God is unlike everything, and He is not created. That can't be said of characters from European folklore.

2. Only you assume that scientific evidence must be necessary for one to believe in the existence of God. It's another case of atheists bringing science into the religious classroom.

 

How would I know? I only know about what you wrote. And the subsequent dodge to defend it, as I predicted. Your intellectual dishonesty is evident to all.

Your personal morality is as valid as Stalin's. Prove otherwise. Or better don't. You have no game.

 

No different at all, we're dealing with Middle East folklore.

I don't assume anything you do.

 

Using the measure of your statement about atheist are Buddhist immoral?

I could care less about Stalin's I care about mine and yours have yet to show how yours and mine differ. I can think of none I share with Stalin, to which ones are you alluding? And since I am sure we share so many that means yours are invalid also. In fact as I said since I don't have to be threatened or reward to live by mine I would postulate mine are more valid than yours.

But tell me are al Qaeda and the radical Islamist moral people? Are their morals "valid"

 

Nonsense, the correct term would be "religions". More importantly, who said anything about Middle Eastern religions?

Like I said, God is not created. That isn't the case with any character from European folklore. God is perfect, He is the Creator of the universe. To compare Him to the tooth fairy is asinine.

Does this mean scientific evidence is not necessary to prove God's existence?

 

??????

For the last time....prove yours has validity and it's not from the same source as Stalin's morality.

You cannot. As I foretold. Buh bye.

 

Well make up your mind YOU called it folklore.

I did, you know where Christianity and Judaism orginatated like the European religions originated in Europe. Both based on local folklore.

Then where did he come from?

Then why did he screw up so much here on earth?

Why? Do you have anymore evidence a god exists over a fairy?

 

You claim the source of you morality is your belief in supernatural beings and since I do not believe in supernatural beings, especially your god, then I my morals have no basis and therefore are not valid making me an immoral person.

So are Buddhist immoral?

I have no idea what morals Stalin held and quite frankly don't believe he had any moral beliefs, can you express some them.

And still waiting for you to list the moral beliefs you hold which you believe I do not hold. And then of course since I do not require a mythical supernatural being to threaten me in order to live my moral beliefs nor would give them up if I did and then found out it was a farce I would say mine are more valid than yours.