We gotta figure out ANOTHER way . . .

to whip the Muslim militants. Thought of this again as Obama tries to dig up more war authorization cash.

Any thoughts? We are heading toward another tail-between-legs moment. I'm thinking get jurassic or go home.

And while we're at it, how are all those European and American Muslims getting to Syria to join ISIS? And how do they return? Tell me they are not flying or taking cruise ships. I think I'd want to seal off that little pipeline, maybe as Step #1.

 

Sorry, but there is only one solution to the thread of Radical Islam.

They do not care for peace they only want to either kill you or submit you to be a slave.

And they will never stop until they get what they want or until they are all dead.

 

The key in my opinion is to give them someone to hate more than us.

 

Don't know.

I doubt the 'glass parking lot' crowd will get much support from those who make the decisions. But, that said, once the house is allowed to become so overrun with rats, the time comes when there is no option but to burn the whole damn thing down. We waited too long, and underestimated them. The time is not for reflection for how we got here. The time is for dealing with what we have in front of us.

One thing is for certain; the most powerful defensive weapon they have is our unwillingness to cause civilian casualties. We seem to go to extraordinary lengths to carry out strikes in as 'surgical' a fashion as is possible. We let known militants go because killing them will cause unsightly collateral damage. This is the honorable and humane thing to do, however, this defensive tactic is extraordinarily effective, and cannot be overcome.

So, we either need to ally ourselves with a local fighting force and do what it takes (no holds barred) to squash the bad guys, or isolate and contain the whole region and let it melt down into whatever happens, then go clean up the mess afterwards. Either way, THE PEOPLE of the region play a key and central role.

 

Once they're done with those people they'll just refocus their attention on us.

The only way is to nuke them from orbit. That is the only way to be sure.

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Once they're done with those people they'll just refocus their attention on us.

The only way is to nuke them from orbit. That is the only way to be sure.

 

The best thing the West could do is shut off immigration from any Muslim country.

 

I am not sure about stopping all of radical Islam. I guess when they form groups that are destructive, give them the approach below.

As for ISIS, 10,000 of our most highly trained military members, armed with the most advanced weaponry in the world, and supported by the most advanced military technology in the world using any and all means necessary to wipe them off the face of the Earth is the only way to get rid of them.

 

I suspect they hate the Shia more than they hate us. And since we already have a Shia government in place that more or less runs things in the south and east, maybe we should enlist Iran.

 

Of course there is only one solution. Unfortunately, that one solution has proven to be a giant fail. So maybe we ought to entertain other solutions, eh?

 

It appears we are headed for WWIII. Thanks, religion!

The "moderate" Muslims aren't doing much to ideologically defeat the "extremists"...their concern is more being against the "Islamophobes", rather than being against the "extremist" Muslims. Muslims are in the best position to take on ISIS/Boko/AQ/Taliban ideologically, but looking at CAIR's website's front page I see nothing saying how they are working hard to combat Jihad against the infidel ideologically.....to do so would be like being "Muslims Against Mohammad".

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Correct, Obama's drone-diplomacy is a huge failure. We must win the war IDEOLOGICALLY, not with bombs.

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I love Muslims, so I honestly do not advocate that. The more they are our neighbors, the better we can help them find a better ideology. Bombing them from 10,000 feet is not the best way to go.

 

A good start would be to recognise the various radicals and sort them out from the normal person. Then go to causes. I mean as well as fighting the radicals on their own terms.

 

Michael Biehn diplomacy.

 

This is the epitome of naïve thinking. What makes you think they are going to give up their religion?

 

Yes, the main causes are the calls to subjugate Infidels under Islam that are in the Islamic texts, such as chapter 9 of the Qur'an.
And questioning the belief in Mohammad, who said "I have been made victorious through terror".
Because Mohammad approved of terrorism and torture, can we really say that ISIS is wrong in simply following the lead of the world's #2 most popular religion? Bush/Obama both gave approval to Islam, many times, so ISIS can't be condemned because the founder of Islam did those same atrocious things.

 

If the U.S. goes in again, I'm going to insist that we declare war and have someone on the other side wave a white flag when it's all over. I understand my insistence doesn't mean squat.

 

I believe in Modern Secular Humanism, and the intelligence of people. Eventually they will come around to this way of thinking.

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Instead of a white flag - they could just call it a Hudna, why not demand that they renounce Mohammad? That would be more convincing.

 

Too bad Jesus isn't real and moral or of course he'd just snap his fingers and make an appearance to magically show that he's real, and that "Allah" is not real, and then many Muslims would give up their Jihad against the non-believers....Jesus would know what it would take to convince Muslims that Islam was not the way to go (if he's all-knowing, all-powerful like Christians claim). But Jesus doesn't do that for the same reason that Zeus doesn't either. Where is Jesus when we need him? Nowhere, that's where. Instead, he let's us merrily head for WWIII.

 

Yeah, any day now. They've only been in 632 AD for the last ~1400 years. As all the madness in Europe is demonstrating, they're adapting really well to their secular humanist environment.

 

Oh, you mean like finding out which ones will condemn Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror"? I'd love to find one that would....but sadly, it's near impossible to differentiate a moderate from a Jihadist. "Do you condemn Mohammad for advocating Jihad against the Infidel?"...again, another valid question, but Muslims won't speak out against the underlying cause of Jihad, so again it's a useless question, unfortunately.

 

But Obama et al are not on board, they are running interference for the Jihad....once they do get on board things will change. However, this will mean taking a hard look at OTHER religions as well (since Muslims will hit back that "the Bible says pretty much the same thing", and they will be right)....so it's going to get nasty.

 

We didn't exactly go in with yard sale equipment the first time around. Neither did we pacify the Sunnis while we were there. And we had many more than 10,000 GIs.

 

I agree, it's like the inquisition all over again, until all that do these honorably things are dead, it will not stop

we can kill the leaders and at least make the other go underground and fear popping their heads above ground

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Progressives are at war with the West and will take any anti-Western force as an ally. They will tolerate radical Islam for as long as possible. They're not going to "get on board", by and large. And Muslims are not going to abandon their religion, by and large. Bringing them here with the hope that they are going to change is not a good strategy for those of us who benefit from living in areas with low Muslim populations.

 

This is what I mean. This is a simplistic analysis, with respect. It's like treating the Bible as a comic strip. Both texts are revealed texts and as such are subject to interpretation and that's where the trouble starts. Don't rely on simplistic analyses of the Koran. To see what I mean check out the chapter you mention - the Verse of the Sword.

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Here's a clue - the radical will likely have a weapon and be prepared to use it.

 

Are you talking about the Iraq invasion? We were going in to defeat a country, destroy their military, and instill a new government. Completely different.

We would not be nation building of trying to pacify Sunnis. We would be going in to wipe ISIS off the planet and leave.