So who here wants the government to rule the internet

Most people thought we could keep our own doctors...seems most people are pretty stupid at times.

 

By the use of power...there is no need for authority. Obama demonstrates that every day. What we have is simple abuse of power, a common every day occurrence with government. It is what they do.

 

They will pass regulations...interested parties will sue but success in court takes years and one has to get past the political judges shopped district court. In the mean time bureaucrats will be hired, rules written and enforced, and abuse done...

It is called government.

 

Do you have much experience, yet, with government control? I suppose you do not. You will pay more and you will get less. It is unconstitutional, not that I expect you to understand why that is important.

 

Government always abuses power. If someone is having a problem with their ISP, change ISPs. Expecting the government to help is amazingly naive. It will simply give the "telcos" more reason by buy off politicians and the weasels writing regulations.

 

It would be better if the monopolies were ended, that's undeniable, but you know as well as I do that petitioning government without cash is a lost cause. It takes a lot of people to effect any sort of change, and most people are too stupid to understand what's going on and why. Yes though, I fully agree that breaking up the monopolies and creating a competitive environment would work best. It's unlikely that will happen though as the cable companies and government seem plenty content to not have ISPs compete each other and just keep absorbing each other into a larger group.

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No my fault you don't understand how things work in the modern world. Saying that wireless at the library is a valid replacement for internet access at home is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke.

 

I'm talking about high speed internet, something fast enough to stream a video. I could inflate the number of ISPs in my city too if I included dialup and DSL but that's not enough in the modern age.

Case in point: https://www.khanacademy.org/

It's like wikipedia for math and physics, and is expanding all the time. As I've stated before I wouldn't be where I am today were it not for Microsoft Visual Studio and a lot of tutorials, video and text. You're not downloading Visual Studio with dial up, there will be some form of corruption before it gets to your system. For the remote places that rely on cell or satellite, well I guess cell can work but I feel bad for people with satellite. Then again those people aren't going to be going for STEM degrees and it's less likely a rural school is going to use the internet to the degree city schools do today (both due to access and this odd belief that the internet is just a toy).

To me I think the best solution would be to have government set up the infrastructure then rent it out to ISPs, more than one per location (I'd say at least 3+, though there may need to be a cap and clearly if only one ISP is willing to service an area then that's a different story). The internet is very important in this day in age. It is an insanely massive system of communications that affects everyone from the individual to the corporate level. You can learn damn near anything with it, and if you know where to go you can find all sorts of interesting things, things that can motivate people to learn and become successful like what happened with me. I will tell you now that without the internet, without the ability to watch videos, to mess around with software, to learn, you're screwing your children. Hell it may not seem it but being able to effectively search Google is a skill in itself.

Anyway I'm getting off course, but I still don't understand why people can't see the importance of high speed internet, and why we can't have it just be what Comcast decides the internet is. I don't want the government to decide either, don't get me wrong, but unless we're going to have competition, we may as well just have the government run it. It's not like anything is stopping them from putting on laws regarding the internet anyway. Better one entity try to destroy it than two, takes more time that way.

 

The answer is not to give government more power over us. The answer is to eliminate legal plunder.

 

If you want it you pay for it. Is this post an admission that you believe you will benefit if the government plunders the private property of some others? How can you not see that you will pay a heavy price for the ill-gotten goods?

 

Yeah I do. I had been pretty happy with phone service before I disconnected it due to cell phone became a viable replacement.

Government also have some regulations for electricity/gas, I have no problem with either.

Before net neutrality I'm paying $50/month for 18/2mbps, in East Asia I could get something like 100/50mbps for $30/month

And despite already paying more for less, I was all fine with it, until ISPs want to introduce caps, throttling, bandwidth prioritization where none of that exists in East Asia.

Now I want government to stop those BS.

 

I see. Are you admitting then, that you are hoping for a share of the plunder before the plundered stops providing it?

Have you considered moving back to east asia where all is sweetness and light?

 

What would prevent the internet from becoming another NPR, a totally leftwing operation.

 

No and no.

 

K. You act as though I haven't been arguing this point. Thought I was clear about how the best solution is to break up the local resource monopolies but, just for you, I'll spell it out; the best solution is to break up the local resource monopolies.

 

Funny. First off you're talking to a software engineer. I own my own house, just bought my first motorcycle (love it), I have money and I'm paying into the system. What I'm saying is that the internet should be treated as infrastructure the same has roads, power, water, etc are. The best way to keep it private, which I also pointed out as my solution, is to have government provide the lines and rent them out to private entities. Keep reading over me and making up stories though, I'm sure that's much more entertaining than actually reading what I'm saying.

 

There's no dialup here: http://broadbandnow.com/Oregon/Portland?zip=97201

You're talking about how important internet access was to you educating yourself but you did all that without the Orwellian titled "Net Neutrality". I agree that high speed internet access is very important which is why I'm against government interference with it. Do a bit of research to see how much innovation happened in telephone technology and service while government enforced a monopoly on that industry. You want the government agency responsible for fining a television network because Janet Jackson had a wardrobe malfunction to be involved in regulating your internet access. The same agency that was responsible for the equally Orwellian "Fairness Doctrine" limiting radio by inflicting a bureaucratic nightmare of equal time requirements for any political speech. The same agency that required movie soundtracks to be ludicrously edited to protect the public's delicate sensibilities.

 

Good god, nothing wrong with Net Neutrality. It's not an Orwellian concept in the least. The only issue is what the government could do with it and lets face it classification isn't going to stop the government from doing a damn thing. We're already at Orwellian with the damn NSA. Everything we search is tracked, logged, and searched. I've said it before and I'll say it again; the best solution is for the government to break up the monopolies and stay hands off, but short of that it's to classify the net as the net, in which we could very well end up in the same hell of regulation. I don't like it but frankly we are between the internet Comcast and the like want to provide or government. Government is already happening, we can't stop it, so if we can cut Comcast at least we've cut a part of the nets destruction. I don't like it any more than you do, but to act as though the government would somehow stop when clearly it doesn't care about its own rules is a joke.

 

The internet is not the property of the united states of Ameirca

 

Please. Everything belongs to the government.

Even your soul.

 

Up here in Canada an attack was recently foiled.

I personally want the government to be free to monitor people that for genuine reason they suspect may be interested in killing many people just to make some sort of point!

For all I know the tip may have came because of a post to the internet.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...re-not-linked-to-terrorism-says-peter-mackay/

Two charged with conspiracy to commit murder in foiled Halifax attack plot, were flagged in Crime Stoppers tip

 

And, if the government promises to protect you, you are happy to give up all of your freedoms.

 

I have to assume you are an agent of a hostile government.

 

We can agree to disagree. When the problem is government some people blame those who built and own the resources.

 

Exactly. It has nothing to do with being fair or leveling the playing field, it is about fleecing consumers, plain and simple.

And that setting limits on political speech, also BS. They want to approve what will and will not be considered free speech, from one side's point of view. The problem is when they are no longer in charge the responsibility of censoring falls in the hands of the other side. This is on the same level of democrats wanting to limit executive order powers when republicans held the executive branch, and now the sky is the limit since they got the keys to the White House.

Extremely subtle, NOT!

 

Jesus if you are going to lecture at least get your facts straight. The fairness doctrine did not impose an equal time stipulation, only that other points of view were allowed to be heard on topics/issues that impacted local communities and the country as a whole, that were not scripted by the same people making the original point of view. That really isn't equal time, it's called common sense when air space (property of the people) is limited.

That is the problem with this situation, the misinformation, and out-n-out lies, have distorted reality to such a level that an honest debate on the topic is impossible. Exactly what the two party scam is all about. Mass confusion, misinformation, and a country/population in constant polar divide.