There is a difference between resisting and drawing a weapon. You don't get condemned to death for resisting. Drawing a gun or trying to wrestle an officer's weapon out of the holster is another matter and one that I would not condemn an officer for using lethal force. That said, I think there should be some evidence other than one officer yelling "he's going for my gun". How many times is that going to happen before we start looking to see if the suspect is really going for the officer's weapon?
There looked to be 4 or 5 cops there. He was assaulting all of them? One one hand, conservatives fear the growing police-state that America is becoming yet they support the gunning down of civilians in situations where no other effort of deescalation was attempted. What happens when you are the citizen who doesn't follow instructions? Or will you ALWAYS follow instructions? Will you ALWAYS obey enforcement of ANY law? And...these looked to be homeless people. God only knows what their mental state was and God appears to be the only one who might question or care. We send in the police like storm troopers now. Resist and prepare to be shot. That is the mentality you are supporting.
Repeated vagrancy and then a report of a robbery just to get the police to the scene, then his assault and resisting arrest. OK and your evidence here theat they are not? Did you see any civilians answering the call about this guy and the possible crime he had committed on top of the already multiple vagrancy charges. Did you see any civilians joining in in trying to help them execute the arrest? And since you are such an expert what exactly should they have done differently here? If he starts to point that gun at one of them or an innocent civilian standing there they can most certainly gun him down and have a duty to do so. Actually we pay them a salary to do it.
Yes there is. It depends on how you are resisting. You do the investigation and you're done. What else do you want to do? Assume the cop is lying?
You didn't watch the beginning when he jumps up and assaults them all? Why are you making up this nonsense, they had him on the ground trying to subdue him, as they attempted to get him up he began fighting again and swinging at the officers so they took him down again, then he went for and it appears gained control over one of the officers weapons. Once he did that he just about wrote his own death warrant. If an officer is placing me under arrest I will ALWAYS obey their commands and submit to the arrest, you wouldn't? You would fight them and go for one of the officers weapons? And expect to live? They should just ask nicely and if the person refused just go away and get a cup of coffee then?
ROFL or they go hand in hand and in this case as in the Brown case they do. No but you are going to be physically taken down and the more you resist the more force will be applied to you. And that appears to be the case here. And "drop the weapon" and yes that is evidence. When have we not done so? There is an investigation going right now.
the taser "going off" doesn't mean it's effectively doing it's job. If both prongs don't make contact/penetration then it's worthless, while it's "going off" and making the noise that has become well known on tv. Stop commenting on a deadly force situation like you were there fighting someone who decided he's not going to jail at all costs. - - - Updated - - - Exactly! Sharpton's plane must have turned around in mid air when they found that fact out.
Part of my issue is that I have seen first hand an officer lie to protect a mutual civilian friend of ours when that friend assaulted his wife while going through a divorce. This particular PA State Trooper and a fellow officer both witnessed the assault, did nothing, then lied on the incident report. I was there also and saw everything that happened. They asked...then pressured...then threatened me(a huge mistake on their part) to confirm their account, which I refused to do. I lost both friendships that day and decided to move to Ohio to avoid going to war with the Girard Barracks of the Pennsylvania State Police. I don't even know if they were punished. So...you ask me if I want to assume the cops are lying? No. I don't automatically assume that. I don't rule out the possibility either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhEY_NfXJU WARNING bad language - graphic violence! Starting at about the 53 second mark, there appears to be a small gun on the ground in on the far side of the shot man. When you hear the witness saying he has no gun, the camera person moves to the left so it can no longer be seen. One of the cops was wearing a body camera, we will see then if the guy had a gun or not.
I saw a few blurry things on the ground. I could not tell if one of them was a gun. Hopefully before then end we will have more than the officers' word to support the presence of a gun used by the dead suspect.
Euthanasia. Darwin Award recipient. Crazy don't prevent threatening the life of a a Cop. He asked for it and even if he didn't know what he was doing should a Cop lose his life because of it? Hell no! Besides, dude is now in a better place. End of story.
How about you read, I said IF right in the quote you posted from me. Why don't you stop commenting until you actually read what a person is saying.
I am not saying his wife wasn't difficult. She was. That doesn't warrant a backhand to her face followed by a good old fashioned two-handed choking while banging her head off the hood of her car. I am the one who pulled him off her before he broke her neck. She definitely did everything she could to verbally provoke him. It was a real Jerry Springer moment.
And the "Gentle Giant's" friend lied about what transpired in the altercation between them and the Ferguson Officer. And the Cops have a greater probability of telling the truth. Why? Because they are of a higher caliber to begin with. Generally speaking.
Reading must not be a strong suit around these parts. I never said it did directly. That was never my point, which has obviously eluded you. My point in relating that experience is that unlike some people, I do not assume that police officers never lie. They do. Part of the defense in these situations always seems to be "cops are people too". Well...people lie if it serves their own best interests. The bigger the threat to that interest, the bigger the lie they are willing to tell.
I don't believe that police are more willing to tell the truth than anyone else. They will tell the truth if it serves them, they will lie if it doesn't. Just like everybody else. Higher caliber? LOL. Maybe some are. There are still some good cops out there who genuinely joined to protect and serve. There are too many who just like the authority and the chance to wear a gun.
Your post smells like the kind of stuff spewed by Cop bashers and Cop haters. Some people believe Cops are not just capable of lying, not just equally as likely to lie as a civilian, but likely to be liars and more likely to lie than a civilian. There's a philosophy which says, you will get what you expect and you will deserve it.
You are quite right. The police should remember that. I am not cop-hater. I am a distruster of authority. Authority here in the U.S. has become a corrupt and vile thing. On one hand, conservatives fear a police state. On the other they support any and every brutal action of that police state.
I have been tazed, and I operated just fine. I wrestled two other marine MPs while being tazed. You don't think you can't lay face down while being tazed? Youre wrong.
Agreed and potentially worse than incompetence if prescribed procedures were recklessly abandoned and a pattern of that disregard for proper procedure is evidenced in this policeman's file. It may lead to negligent homicide or reckless endangerment. The above said, the other officers involved had few options once the control of the weapon had transferred especially if the weapon was discharged by the suspect. Nothing though absolves the suspect of his own actions in taking the officer's side arm. Cheers Labour
