Scott Walker supports eliminating 48-hour waiting period for handgun purchases

Poll Finds That More Americans Back Gun Rights Than Stronger Controls
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/us/gun-control-gun-rights-pew-survey.html?_r=0

Step outside your little liberal bubble world.

 

So how would you go about it?

 

Only if you think a 48 hour waiting period makes a difference, some would like to see facts on that to determine if it is just a 'feeling' or a fact.

 

I also own several hand guns. The wait isn't aimed at you and me.

As far as being threatened, If you've never owned a handgun before that probably isn't your best choice for self defense anyway.

 

If you've never owned a handgun before it's probably not your best choice for defense.

 

Not why, how. Short of anecdotal evidence I can't see any way.

 

It is an intangible concept that cannot be proven, and instead should be discounted entirely on the basis of absurdity.

You refer to someone wanting to murder a cheating ex at their place of business as reason for why the waiting period should exist. A valid argument against the waiting period would be victims of domestic violence needing immediate access against their threatening ex; not two days after.

 

Therein lays the problem with the positioning and reasoning behind your argument. The belief that if the law does not affect you then it does not matter who actually is negatively affected.

That is not a determination you are qualified to make, either for a specific individual, or in general.

 

It's the only choice to carry in your car. At least in FL, I'm allowed to carry a loaded pistol in my car. That, and you can teach somebody to shoot safely in an hour or two. Doesn't take 48 hours.

 

The thing is, I am affected by waiting periods, so it is aimed at me. In my state, I think it's a three day wait on handguns, despite the fact that I own several. I still get punished for the theoretical idea of "cooling off periods." I just don't buy that cooling off periods work. Please show stats or evidence that "cooling off periods" reduce crimes of passion.

 

Then your entire argumentative position is in favor of something that can never be proven or subjected to peer review. It is a concept based entirely on emotion and arguments such as "I feel" and "I believe" rather than logic, science, or reason.

 

Then you are assuming guilt by making everyone wait....

 

You might have point, with the courts demanding that open to the public not be able to discriminate due to behaviors, gun sellers might well lose any ability to stop crazies and suicidals from purchasing weapons...

 

Speaking of which, is there any evidence that a 48-hour waiting period is having some detrimental effect?

 

What would you consider to be adequate evidence to support the argument? Is there any particular number of examples you would like cited to build a case for why arbitrarily determined waiting periods put innocents at risk rather than shielding them from harm?

 

Exactly the same thing can be said for your argument about protection.

In general I think I am. You can teach someone not to shoot themselves in the foot on a nice quiet range in an hour, you cannot teach them to respond appropriately to a threat in an hour.

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You've been affected by the waiting period so badly and so often that you can't remember how long it is?

It cannot be disproven for the same reasons.

No, I'm not. Are speed limits set because they assume everyone is speeding?

 

That's irrelevant. The relevant question is whether a 48 hr waiting period is having an effect on crime. If it's not decreasing crimes of passion (which is the reason given to justify it), it shouldn't exist based on the concepts of basic liberty--i.e. if a law is of no practical benefit, it should be repealed.

 

You can teach them how to aim center of mass and shoot, which is all that is really needed in teh case of a woman who is afraid of being attacked by their ex. We don't need to teach tactics etc.

I'm trained as a scientist. Unless I confirm something I'm going to use a qualifier. I've not bought a handgun in this state. I never claimed that it would effect me or that it did effect me. For me, it makes no difference--I have handguns. That's not the point. I don't believe in government actions based on my self interest. I believe in government actions based on effectiveness and basic principles of liberty. If a 48 hr waiting period isn't stopping crimes of passion then why have it? (In FL, it is a 3-day waiting period. In Wisconsin, it's 48 hours)

They are set based on physics and engineering, and there is pretty direct evidence of safety vs. speed in areas, based on the amount of traffic, etc.

 

The fact that something can be said does not necessarily mean that it is factually based. You believing that your experiences qualify you to make judgement for others is evidence of that standard.

In general you are incorrect. You are not adequately fit to make determinations for anyone except yourself and only yourself. What a single person determines as being reasonable based on their own limited world experiences is not qualified for determining for rules should be enacted for others in differing circumstances.

Simply because you like to believe that you are qualified to speak for others, does not truly make you qualified to speak for others.

Speeding limits are set to generate revenue.

 

I just want to know why this very minor control on handgun purchases is treated like such a problem? Handguns aren't good for much more than target shooting and shooting human beings. They're not a good weapon to take hunting, but they're great for concealing in urban settings. In other words, they're a great murder weapon and little else. Having tighter controls over them makes sense, including this waiting period, because it at least has the potential to prevent killings (and suicides!), and at the same time it doesn't harm buyers to wait 48 hours. Also, it seems that waiting periods exist to facilitate background checks, and I don't know about you, but I think those are a good idea as well.

 

Please show some kind of evidence that waiting periods actually do what you claim. I haven't seen any evidence that it works. Background checks now take less than 15 minutes, and are required of every sale by a licensed dealer. I can live with waiting periods for handguns, but they are an affront to basic liberty. (which seems to be a common thing these days)

The modern handgun is the best device ever invented for personal defense. Handgun hunting is legal in almost every state, and every game animal in the world (up to and including Cape Buffalo and elephant) have been killed by hunters using handguns.

 

Many people hunt with handguns, and handguns are great for self defense.

Background checks typically take 15 minutes.

If people have no clue what they are talking about, they should keep their opinions to themselves.

 

As stated multiple times previously, not everyone has the luxury of waiting for an arbitrarily determined amount of time to pass before taking possession of what is their legal property. And those who have never faced such circumstances should not be allowed to decide what restrictions should be in place, simply because they believe it makes sense in an academic sense.

The supreme court has ruled that there is a constitutional right to own a firearm for the purpose of self defense. Shooting human beings is sometimes a part of self defense.

That is why many regard them as the best option for self defense. As others have said, you can't slip a rifle into your pocket.

Then perhaps you can explain why they are standard issue with police officers? For what reason do police officers need regular access to "great murder weapons" when they are tasked with upholding the law?

Spoken by someone who has never felt their life was being threatened to the point where they needed to protect themselves. In simpler terms, an uninformed opinion by one with limited real world experience.

You seek to deem what is acceptable for those who you have never met, and do not understand what they must experience.

Furthermore, as it has been pointed out, the forty eight hour waiting period does nothing to prevent someone from committing a murder. If someone wishes to commit a murder they will simply do it within the forty ninth hour.

Background recent developments in technology, background checks can be completed within five minutes, and with the same degree of relevant accuracy.

 

I was in fact referring to FFL holders (dealers) and not private citizens.

 

I cannot disagree with this strongly enough. By your reasoning, a society could determine all children with green eyes are evil and must be put to death at birth. This child's parents have no right do defend it.

There are some rights that are bestowed at birth...like the right to defend ones life against anyone or anything that tries to take it.