America the land of the free???

My fellow Americans keep telling me how the military is fighting for my freedom. Or I hear America is the greatest country in the world. It's the land of the free!

I'm an American! I don't see this freedom everyone talks about... and when I challenge the freedom question, the number one answer people give me is "we are freer than any where else in the world"..... really? let's explore that notion here and now. That very response is slave talk. It's what slaves tell themself to feel better about the dire situation they are in. News flash people there is NO GREY AREA WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FREEDOM OR SLAVERY. EITHER YOU ARE FREE OR YOU ARE NOT. I challenge anyone to prove to me that you are free! That may be too hard so prove to me how much freer we are then any where else in the world. It is YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO (*)(*)(*)(*)ING PROVE IT! Let's see how many real patriots are on this website.

 

Not one true patriot willing to prove their freedom? I'm not surprised one bit. If you tried to explain it then you would have to face the truth that you are a slave and that is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty feeling no one wants to feel. We can't change the problem because Americans are like ostriches when they get scared they just bury their heads in the sand. No one cares about the future. I don't know how anyone of you can say you love your children. You are willing to avoid real problems and sacrifice your children and grandchildren's future because the truth is too scary. It's easier to sit in front of the TV and watch football games or brainwashing shows like survivor. A show that teaches people to stab their friends or fellow people in the back for money. The only freedom Americans have is the freedom to be ignorant slaves.

 

Refer to Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider. Freedom scares the hell out of people. You tell them they're not free, and they'll kill you just to prove they are.

 

I agree that the USA is far from free, but I say it is a mistake to view Americans as slaves.

It is not an either-or as if either free or slave, because there is another category which is more accurate, in that America is a very big prison camp and we are all prisoners.

Being a prisoner is not equivalent to being a slave, and being prisoners is more accurate for our violent and ignorant society.

The entire USA is governed by the old slave Plantation mentality of Capitalism, so the slavery was replaced with this new improved system where the population is captive with massive pressure to conform and to serve the Masters but it is different from slavery.

 

People say lots of silly things. No, the military is not fighting to protect whatever freedoms it is you think you have. "Greatest" anything in the world is purely subjective. Our cleaning guy at work tells me that Senegal is the greatest country on Earth. My step-daughter tells me the Decemberists are the greatest band of all time (although I have never heard of them). One person's defintion of why America is the "greatest" may not match mine, so it's a pretty meaningless thing at the end of the day. I can make a pretty large list of places I've been that I think are far better than America. Land of the Free? Total joke. With the possible exception of (maybe) Northern Europe and (certainly) some Arab countries, Americans are subject to more rules, regulations and laws than any other place on Earth, with a Police State to help enforce them all. That's why we are the world's leading jailer. Because everyone is so "free". Some dude wrote a line in a song back in 1812 and the slogan stuck. That's all there is to it, really. We are also not the "home of the brave". By and large Americans are total cowards.

This is where we disagree. By definition I am not a slave if I can simply leave. And I plan on doing just that for retirement. In the meantime I travel extensively. Slaves cannot do that. The fact you are not as free as you like (and I agree with you there) is not the same as being a slave.

 

You guys did not read the fine print, free with purchase of full price item.

 

We are not totally free, every society has it's rules, learn to live by them, change them, or leave, life is full of choices. You should do some world travelling, live outside the country for a few years in different countries then get back to us on Freedom. I can assure you before you go that you will fond we are one of the most free nations on the planet.

 

You're free enought to post what you want, even if it's critical of the country. You obviously enjoy that freedom very much.

 

Where the hell have you traveled? Either your defintion of freedom is way different than mine or you don't get out of the country much. When I get back to America the first thing I notice is how free it's not.

 

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We are losing our rights and freedom NOW; Scorecard: How Many Rights Have Americans REALLY Lost?

The wars we are fighting now are for the corporations and banks...NOT our freedoms and rights.

 

Well it's not slavery as we think of whips and chains. It's more deceitful then that. It more like indentured slaves. With the difference being indentured did it under their own will and knew exactly what they signed up for and it ended after 7 years.(The national debt will never be paid off that makes it for life) We on the other hand are told we are free and have rights from birth and raised to be trusting of our government cause this is the greatest country in the world! When we took the pledge of allegiance we surrender our freedoms and became subjects to the jurisdiction there of. We traded sovereignty for a United States citizenship created out of the 14th amendment. The reason I believe it's closer to slavery then you think is because it's "for life" and when the bank is done pillaging they will sell the national debt off to countries like China (as of today already own 7% of our debt) & Russia (already owns 3%). They will make sure the debt is paid, then you can look for whips and chains. Free people can own things. You don't own anything, except the clothes on your back. If you think you own your land stop paying the rent see how long it takes the real owner to show up with thugs with badges. If you have a nice car paid off and you think you own it. Stop paying the rent on your land those thugs will have taken that first before they show up with assault weapons for the land. We don't even own the money they pay us with. Try burning a dollar bill in front of an IRS agent. You will be charged with destruction of government property. Take a baseball bat to an old vehicle you think you own. If someone reports you they will charge you with destruction of property. If you look up the definition of slavery in the free legal dictionary you will see these key words "for life". Our children inherit the debt from us. Just like slaves inherit slavery from their parents. it is for life!

 

Wow I feel so free now. I can open my mouth with out a slaver whipping me. Believe me when I tell you this I can't say what ever I feel like on this website. They will delete my posts and will ban me for life if I told you exactly what I think about you. That is not true freedom of speech. If I want to stand outside my capital building and tell people how bad our government is. I will need permission first because it is a privilege. You have to have a permit to assemble. If I were caught by someone that cared, the law exists to arrest me. You are ignorant to what true freedom is and that is a big problem with America. Slaves don't know anything but slavery.

 

You will have to rescind citizenship and you will still have to pay for your share of the national debt. Right now it's about 1.2 million per person. Any assets you have will be considered sold and you will have to pay the taxes on their value. Plus a 30% penalty tax. Give me a moment and I will find the information on the IRS website explaining what I just told you.

Here..http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expatriation-Tax

 

I still say that calling us as prisoners is still more accurate and it is life-long prisoners too, and being a prisoner is not so complicated as the word slave or slavery which have troubling emotions attached.

Even more-so is that you are not giving any solution, and that reality of no-solution is why we are prisoners instead of slaves, because many if not most Americans want the greater freedom but we are trapped with no way to free our self.

Now if your solution sounds like a "Tea-Party" slogan of less government and States Rights and vote for Conservative Republicans then that would be no solution for me.

 

I get your perspective but want to add a little.

The current oligopolistic structure is more of a kind of indentured slavery. There are no bars like a prison but this is truly a prison.

Sure one can "own a home" but do you really own it when property taxes alone are 500/month. There is no ownership of private property in any real sense if you have to pay ridiculously high taxes on that property.

There is no free and fair market when every time you turn around there is some regulation that favors the Oligopolies by putting up barriers to competition from smaller competitors.

It is not that the Oligopolies should not be allowed a seat at the table when laws and regulations are being made. The problem is that the person who is supposed to have the backs of "we the people" our elected officials, are in the pockets of the oligopolies and so, over time, the probabilities dictate that the system becomes increasingly favorable to the oligopolies and increasingly antagonistic towards the average Joe.

The same is true of the tax laws. I mentioned property tax earlier. Some 5-6 decades ago, corporations paid 50% of taxes for things such as infrastructure, roads, police and so on.

Obviously without roads McDonalds could not exist in its present form and the worker would have no Job. How is it though that the workers are now footing the bill for McDonalds by paying its share of taxes for roads, infrastructure, police and so on ?

In this way money is siphoned out of the system by such entities. Like a parasite they utilize the things that workers have built without paying for them.

 

Actually, you are free to do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights, or cause harm. Every society has rules, although some may be more restrictive than others. The alternative is anarchy. You might want to take that travel advice, but IMHO, you shouldn't come back.
Enjoy!

 

Yeah except that will prove the opposite when they go to prison for murder. Free to act now. Slaves ran away all the time. They were hunted down like dogs and paid the consequences. They also had revolts but in the end it was back to work.

 

Well lets see, I was born in Germany and have lived there on three different occasions, lived in Scotland and England, travel to every other Western European country except Poland and Greece. Lived in Japan, Vietnam, Korea and have travelled to China Hong Kong and the mainland, and visited Thailand and the Philippines. In north America I have been to Canada, Mexico, Panama and lived in six different states in the US and traveled to much of the rest. Last time I was out of the country was to visit relatives in Germany two years ago and before that was four years ago on a business trip to for ZTE in Shenzhen China.
Yes, I have missed some places, I have not been to the Middle East, Africa or South America but I would say my travels are more than the vast majority of people, including You. Psst, that is why assuming is usually a Bad Idea.

 

Good one I never heard that before.... it is people like you that need to leave. Just because you can't handle freedom no one else deserves it. You are a weak individual and that is the problem with America it's full of people like you. Those that don't want freedom need to get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of my country and take your ignorant offspring with you.

 

The problem is not that true patriots can not explain freedom. It is that you failed to explain what you claim that you are not free to do. It is easy to claim that we are not free. But you have to put forth ideas that we should be free to do that we aren't. If you say that we are not free to urinate in public, I would counter that the reason is that it is unsanitary. If you say that we are not free to have sex in public, I would counter that children do not need to be exposed to that type of behavior. So, tell us what you think that you are not free to do, and tell us why you feel that you should be free to do it? Otherwise you are ranting against nothing.

 

You avoid the word slavery for the exact reason I mentioned in one of my posts. It's an emotional word I use it for effect. I want people to be concerned about this it is very important to me. I feel it should be important to us all. As for the tea party I am not gullible enough to think voting republican is an answer. I have seen first hand they don't care about helping they just want the opportunity to pillage for themselves. Right now I don't have a solution. I have heard about an article 5 solution but I'm not educated enough about it. Right now the problem is people need to come to terms with reality and face the truth. Hopefully we the people can unite and figure a way out of this mess together. Two heads are better than one. I know for sure If we continue to deny the problem it will only get worse.

 

Ever since 9/11, we have lost our freedoms...willingly, albeit ignorantly. It is nicely wrapped up under the title of the Patriot Act, but there is nothing patriotic about it.

Everyone is familiar with the NSA's metadata as exposed by Snowden, but that tends to go over people's heads, not to mention it is a moot point when so many of us already volunteer huge chunks of our privacy via social media. But there is another example which I find frightening and illogical. I participate in photography as a hobby, sometimes getting paid for it. Whenever I have the chance, I take my camera and start photographing anything that catches my eye, be it people, cars, planes, or trains. This weekend I pulled into a public park here in LA to photograph the Los Angeles river and the train tracks that run by it. As I was resetting to get a better angle, some county workers in their orange truck stopped me and told me I could not photograph. I confirmed, "this is a public park, is it not?" They confirmed that it was. Rather than argue with the guy, I left. I already had shot what I could get from that vantage point, but it really ticked me off.

The guy was completely wrong! Technically speaking, if you can see it, you can photograph it. This county worker in essence stomped all over my Constitutional rights. I wish I would have pulled out my cell phone and begun videotaping him to document it. This is the second time this has happened to me, but at least the guy was nicer the first time and told me who I should see to get authorization.

It is scary to think that just because you have a camera in hand, and who doesn't these days with cellphone cameras, that you are automatically assumed to be plotting some nefarious act. Yes, we have lost our freedoms to fear and irrational thinking.

 

Well, so much for a meaningful exchange of opinions. Hang on while I search for my fire extinguisher.

O.K. let me speculate:

. You are a disgruntled youth who hasn't gotten his way whenever he wants.

. You have attempted, or engaged in, activities that are contrary to societal norms.

. You have no friends.

.You don't get out much, and when you do, people ignore you due to your incessant ranting

.You have had numerous negative contacts with authority, no doubt due to your attitude.

.You are unhappy and filled with guilt due to some deeply secret indiscretion.

.All of the above.

As for my offspring, she would certainly listen to you for a good 3 seconds and then laugh until she cried, or more likely she would smack the snot out of you, which is how she was raised to deal with obnoxious twits.

 

That is the same as asking permission. I want the freedom to own my land and not pay rent. I want the freedom to work and not have the top 25% percent of my money go to pay off money I never borrowed. I want the freedom to marry my love without a permission slip from our masters. I want to fish in my stream without permission to do so. I want the freedom to hunt the deer that cross my land with out permission. I want to own the things I buy with out restrictions. If the piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) truck in my driveway doesn't start I want to take a baseball bat to it and not be charged for destroying my property. The list goes on.... but that's not what I started the thread for. I want you to prove that you are free but obviously you can't so you this was your response, for me to ask for permission.

 

You twit, you told me to leave and not come back. That is not meaningful! I don't care how you spin it. Your assumptions are very misguided. Go forth and stay ignorant. I will fight for your freedoms for you, just sit back and do what you do best. Nothing!

As for authority you are absolutely right. Free men don't need authorities. Only slaves and ignorant people need to be told how to act and what to do. I don't need them. It's weak people that can't defend themselves that cry for authorities to save them from the big bad guys. The only authority I need is Mossberg that is my saviour.