Should Corporations be Forced to Stop Promoting Vulgar Music

What the national office decides is their own business. However, it was widely reported the president of OU "evicted" the fraternity with only 24 hours to vacate. I'm not an expert in Oklahoma tenant law, but there is no way you can evict anyone in California in less than 30 days which is the national standard. There is also the issue of expulsion which seems extreme in this case and difficult to prove that a "hostile environment" was created for other students at OU.

Considering the actual hostility and death threats the students have faced, I doubt they will file a case to keep out of public view, but they still have a good claim for damages.

 

You're correct, the national fraternity office closed the chapter. However, the president of OU "evicted" them from their housing and expelled students. That is the legal and moral issue.

 

pretty sure it's a government college.

 

Why would you think that? That is an extreme leap. Of course I don't support racism, but the suppression of freedom of speech is a much greater offense. That is where OU failed.

True, considering the death threats the students have received, they will probably do nothing as they and their families now live in fear of their lives. But is that the legal system we live in? Threats dictate the application of the law?

Public schools have much less control over what is deemed appropriate on campus than private schools do. The question is did the song (which was sung in private off campus and not directed at an individual) create a hostile environment towards other students?

 

You are right about California tenant laws, but I wonder if they actually apply to a university. I knew a student who was expelled from a college for cheating and he was kicked out of his fraternity immediately.

 

After doing some research I have come to the conclusion that what OU did was unconstitutional. They are a public funded university paid for by public money and thus are bound by the First Amendment.

 

Depends if the building is owned by the university and on the contract with the tenant. If the fraternity itself evicts a member, that person may not have a lease but instead is provided a room based on membership. Even still a good lawyer could easily argue that is irrelevant and apply normal tenant law.

Speaking of lawyers, I was right! The fraternity hired a high-profile lawyer to investigate 1st Amendment, due process, and tenant law violations by OU and the national office of the fraternity. I bet we'll see a multimillion dollar suit filed against OU, the State of Oklahoma, and the national office of the fraternity very soon.

 

There is a possible case against OU, but the national fraternity is a private organization with a code of conduct their charters have to abide by. I doubt the lawyers can do much there.

 

I find the elevator music versions of Pink Floyd particularly vulgar and I think the corporations should stop promoting them.

 

"vulgarity" is in the eye of the beholder.

so....the answer is "no".

 

So do you blame music for gang violence or just when white college students act up?

 

no, if people to not like it, they don't buy it... simple

stop trying to kill other peoples bad habits via banning and\or taxing them into oblivion

 

Thanks for your participation. Vulgarity is not in the eye of the beholder. Many people have some sense of decency. Otherwise, this is considered wholesome:
WARNING, some of this may be offensive...

There's several different levels to Devil worshippin: horse's heads,
human sacrifices, cannibalism; candles and exorcism
Animals having sex with 'em; camels mammals and rabbits
But I don't get into that, I kick the habit - I just,
beat you to death with weapons that eat through the flesh
And I never eat you unless the *******, meat looks fresh
I got a lion in my pocket, I'm lying, I got a nine in my pocket
and baby I'm just, dying to (*)(*)(*)(*) him
He's ready for war, I'm ready for war
I got machetes and swords for any (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that said he was raw
My uz' as, heavy as yours, yeah you met me before
I just didn't have as large an arsenal of weapons before
Marshall will step in the door, I lay your head on the floor
With your body spread on the bedspread, red on the wall
red on the ceiling, red on the floor, get a new whore
Met on the second, wet on the third;
then she's dead on the fourth - I'm dead wrong

(BTW, anyone know if we have spoiler tags for the posts?)

I blame a whole host of things for gang violence, glorifying misogyny and violence among them. I don't blame white students for anything because I don't care about them. People should also realize that the public is up in arms over white people chanting about killing folk, but we're dead silent on corporations pushing violent lyrics onto the public too. People want it both ways and I really don't care who I offend calling it out.

I'm trying to get a consensus on the question. The question was not about banning, but for it to stop being promoted by corporations. Please don't get emotional. You already gave two other responses to this question.

 

in the 1950s and 1960s, many folks in The South wanted music by black musicians to be banned.

 

you used the words "forced to stop", which led me to believe you meant make it illegal

these two mean very different things

"Should Corporations be Forced to Stop Promoting Vulgar Music"

and

"Should Corporations voluntarily Stop Promoting Vulgar Music"


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They didn't have any grounds for banning. None of the music lyricized violence against other people unlike the OU chant and some hip-hop music.

Oh ok. I believe social pressures is also a force though. I saw the OU ordeal as a result from social pressures and thought maybe the same could be applied to corporations promoting socially destructive music.

 

only way to socially force this on them is for people to stop buying what they are selling, I am playing my part, I don't buy it

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What we? Where is a "we"? How dare you try to speak for us as "we" when you have not provided basis for unity in music or lyrics that are the opposite of what you oppose.

 

Whoever is interested.

 

one man's vulgar music is another man's symphony.

 

Great thread, lol
I think that of course they should not only ban vulgar pop music, but to close all theses promoting corporations!
Today's generation is stupid not because of their education, but because of liberal propaganda and so-called "democracy!"

 

The government doesn't have to continue funding people that send a message that they don't agree with, or that they don't want out there. They just can't stop a private citizen from voicing their opinion with private moey, however, an appointed official could be dismissed from office for being an active Klan member, for example.
Saying "I'm not going to pay for you to go to school if you use that opportunity to perpetuate a racist culture" is far from saying "I'm not going going to allow you to voice racist opinions"