SAE fraternity looks at suing U of OK, has hired Timothy McVeigh's defense attorney

Just to be technical, the SAE fraternity is not suing the University. The U of Oklahoma's chapter of the SAE fraternity is suing the university. I don't see how they have standing, since the U of Oklahoma's SAE chapter has been officially disbanded by the SAE fraternity.

 

You're joking, right!

Do a google search for "why does the left hate Jews" see how many responses you get.

And to prove this point, do a second search for "why does the left hate muslims" you get nothing, nada.

 

You wouldn't be prejudiced against your image of "progressives" now would you? If such people existed, they might even be insulted.

 

They have every standing to sue and have a legitimate complaint...

You do realize someone could sue you just because they looked at you wrong? there are no rules when it comes to filing litigation.... Summery judgement is the real obstacle (where a judge rules if your lawsuit is legitimate or not). If they can make it past summary judgment they will without question win.

"it's because they're racist" is not an adequate defense in our legal system.

They use "it's because he's against _________ ideas" in totalitarian nations - not in the United States - thank God.

 

Is "Israel" synonymous with "Jew"? Having issues with what Israel as a country is doing is not the same thing as hating Jews. If I don't like what the Russian government is doing, does that mean I hate Russians?

 

Of course, but that doesn't mean I don't understand progressive pathology.

I was once a progressive, I just grew the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and realized how much the progressive party relies on hate to exist.

Yeah I may be a bit more intelligent because I realize that your hate is equal to those you believe hate such as "racists" - yet your hate is just stronger.

Yet you will justify your hate as something moral, when in reality it is anything but......... Yeah I'm sure Hitlers youth had a lot of hate to boot - you're on that level of fascism.

 

Did the search- a bunch of right wing BS websites. No surprise there.

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Never heard of the progressive party. And you've gone off the reservation with this fascism crap.

 

I have 1st am. rights, but if i went to class and simply said, "(*)(*)(*)(*) you, (*)(*)(*)(*) you, (*)(*)(*)(*) you, ...", all day long, non-stop, I would be expelled for preventing the education of my fellow, paying, classmates. So we see here in the extreme case that speech can be limited.

The reason for limiting speech in the above extreme case is obvious, but the concepts which led us to accepting speech limitation also apply to this case. If I can be expelled for disrupting class, and disrupting class = saying, "(*)(*)(*)(*) you" all day long, then why shouldn't the language used in the video not be considered disruptive? If I had to sit next to someone who I heard chanting that my race should be hung from trees (especially considering that that kind of thing is done often throughout history), I might experience a slight deficiency in my ability to learn in that class. Some people might experience a complete failure to learn in an environment in which they have to cooperate with people that threaten to kill them in their off time.

There is no case here. They deserve to be expelled. You can't threaten people's lives, then come to class and be expected to cooperate on a group project with them. Weed em out.

 

Whatever.

 

He's defending the language of "Hang (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s from a Tree".. yet Flintc here is the hateful one... Classic isn't it Flintc? How delusional can these people be?

 

Let me assure, they are RELATED. Short view, long view.

 

Very delusional it would appear. As if they think their goofy spinning will work.

 

Did you think you'd find a bunch of left wing sites admitting it?

 

Where would you draw the line? Should someone be allowed to whisper in someone's ear, during class, on a regular basis, "I hope that soon your race will be hanging from trees"? Or perhaps someone could whisper during lecture to a gay person, "Yah, know, in the ME they would sit your kind on a sharp pole and slowly let it impale you through your rectum"? Someone paying $30,000 a year for an education should have to sit next to someone spouting that crap?

 

I'm sure you believe what you say.

 

I don't suppose you have any video of black and Jewish frats chanting something 'subjective', do you? The progressive establishment ain't going to lose anything until you do.

 

It was predictable right wing BS, as usual.

 

You couldn't be more legally wrong in the above. A state university IS the government. If it were a purely private school that receives no government money, different story, but it is not.

...and I see no one bothered to even read or comment on the dispositive U Mich v Doe case I linked. Typical. Just proceed on with the armchair lawyering via emotion.

 

Of course not! That is a ridiculous analogy with no similarity.

The actual event took place in private in a vehicle off campus with no reasonable expectation that the song would be heard beyond the immediate audience.

You false analogy is one that takes place on campus in a lecture and is a clear threat of violence directed at an individual. An outrageous analogy only designed to steer the debate way off track.

I predict OU and the State of Oklahoma are going to lose this case and millions will be paid in compensatory and punitive damages. It might even end in the resignation of the president of OU.

 

Okay, liberals have a long reputation of liking Jews, they never side with the Palestinians, my bad!

 

What these frat boys did on the bus was beyond dumb and clearly racist. If they were singing this tune on campus, then the school would have grounds to punish them.

However, most schools have a procedure process before expulsion is awarded.

I believe OU, in its rush to join the mounting stampede in communicating the most intense outrage, will lose.

The racist actions aside, the other separate troubling issue is the rise of the instant infamy episodes and the ensuing public shaming/death threats stemming from a video uploaded to the internet in a New York minute, from a smartphone.

 

Singing racist songs = worst sin one can commit
Punching a white woman in the face = you deserve a second chance

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/11/oklahoma-tough-on-racism-weak-on-assault-burglary/

 

State universities tend to involve the government, at least where I live.