Ending the Myth that America is Dangerous because of Gun Ownership

what I find amusing is we see hatred towards gun owners by some posters and then the same or like minded posters will claim we are paranoid in thinking anyone wants to ban our guns

 

Didn't say you were a criminal...didn't say you were a gunnut....I don't know you but anyone reading your comments can discern that you care more about guns than you do human life....how does that make you feel? Washed my hands before I came to this forum...you're really defensive...look inward...both (not necessarily yours) guns and your Rights ...kill children...the elderly...young adults...you speak of liberals...well, conservatives who believe that liberating firearms for everyone are responsible for the carnage...the ease with which criminals obtain guns has much to do with your Rights...our politicians cower before the most powerful and insane lobbyists on the earth...there is a remote tribe indigenous to Columbia...there are no guns within this tribe....guess how many deaths by gunshot are attributed to the people within this tribe each year....your Rights kill...

 

No, that hood rat is merely a scion of the NRA family, a recipient, a beneficiary of the 'my guns' 'my guns'..before mother, children....'I must have guns and if they fall into the hands of criminals and 'your' children die....well, my Rights are more important than 'your' children....guns at the breakfast table...guns beneath the bed...the boogie man might get me....a day without a gun....is a day fraught with danger....that tribe in the remote forests of Columbia without guns....no gunshot death there again this year...a man in a suit presented himself in the village one day....signing up NRA members......a little levity, my friends, to go with your bullets....

 

You say we are putting guns before the lives of children. We are saying we have the right to defend our children.
No gunshot death in some place without guns... what does that mean? Does that mean there were no murders by other means that a legal firearm could have prevented?
320 million guns in America that are going no where, so lets deal with reality.

 

So do 0bama's doctors with my "right to healthcare".

Everything has consequences. I'll default to freedom almost every time. I know what I need better than the government or anybody else.

 

How does the saying go ... "perception is reality ..."

If I lived outside the US and just read the headlines, I would have to assume the Americans were sending their children to school to be slaughtered ... jeez, how many school shootings have there been over the last few years.

If Conservatives and Liberals have no problems pointing to Fox News or MSNBC and saying, "See, look how bad things are, it's a news flash ..." then why would we not expect foreign nationals to look at the headlines on school shootings and say, "Damn, that US is freaky on guns ..."

I'm not against gun ownership, but let's be real here. It is what it is.

 

So you want media control?

 

Levity does not substitute for logic and facts.

 

Once the nuts are gone.....we'll deal with disposing of the guns...where are the nuts going?...Texas....while dealing with Texas... when I made reference to that state as a place for all of the 'gun enthusiasts' (there I'm being polite) to get to know each other...bullets flying.....someone actually took that comment serious and asked 'how we would be able to keep all of those 'enthusiasts' in the state....' well, I haven't given it much thought but, maybe owners of guns lack the ability to comprehend humor, irony...then extrapolate the absence of understanding of humor and irony...over to a lack of empathy...and, just perhaps, in some cases....one can understand the fascination with the end result of manufactured killing machines....

"The hand trembles until he feels the heft of the gun....then, gun in hand, he relaxes...he is safe now....thank God...and the gun of course..."

 

How is your stance on guns any different than the 18th Amendment. How many death's are caused by alcohol every year? How many innocent lives are lost every year to alcohol abuse?

I've lost 3 friends to drunk drivers. Their killers were also illegal aliens. I don't drink, but I have to pay with the lives of my friends for those who do drink and support amnesty. Bobby Montez and Sherri Hanus' killer skipped over the border after he made bail. This was in '87, before extradition with Mexico was modified.

 

Perception and reality are two different things. One perceiving themselves as untouchable, does not translate into shaking off being hit by a semi truck when crossing against the light.

Far more after nineteen ninety than prior to it.

Considering how certain politicians tout the approach of foreign nations, one would suggest they believe foreigners are of greater intelligence than americans.

Ultimately what "it is" is not how it is portrayed by one side or the other. Both sides of any debate will eventually raise valid points. But listening to only one side of any discussion will leave one with incomplete information, and lead to poor decision making.

 

Can you explain to me why many, many countries....provide health care for their citizens....but, you're accepting of the lack of any help for your 'grandparents' with their health needs? Were they rich? Do you read? People have been committing suicide because they were ashamed that they could not pay their health costs....for ONE operation...ONE....are 'your' grandparents the single standard by which we should deliver humane treatment to the people who make this country what it is...the working man...so your friends and you pay a little more...whine some more about it...give Obama some credit...he is trying to help the masses and still allowing THE RICH to keep their money....the same money that the little man provides for them by buying the rich man's product...I am not begrudging the rich man his money....but, should we tolerate the rich man (Glenn Beck, O'Reilly or whatever his name is...) kicking the poor man while the poor man supports and provides his riches......????

 

One more thing...obviously I don't buy the Ayn Rand crap.....

 

You missed my whole point. Doctors kill more people than guns with medical mistakes and malpractice. Alcohol kills more people than guns in America. Cars kill about 4000 people a year in Texas. Many gun deaths are also alcohol related. I don't see you trying to repeal the 21st Amendment. That could save more lives than banning guns, but you're not afraid of people dying. You are only afraid of law abiding people having guns.

 

No, I'm afraid of formerly law abiding people with guns who go off their nut and start to kill people at random. Criminal with guns don't bother me that much because I can take steps to avoid them but I can't do anything about some NRA dues payer who decides it's time to exercise his Constitutional right to kill several mall patrons who look decadent to him

And, yes, I realize the chances of that happening are vanishingly small, Tell that to my corpse, and I'm sure it will make the Newtown parents feel SOO much better

The fact of the matter is really very simple. Other countries DO have very stringent gun regulations and I don't know of ANY of them who have the problem like we do. They might have one a decade or even less but I defy you to find me a nation with tough gun laws that has a "Massacre of the Week", [/hyperbole, not EVERY week] like we do in this Insane Empire. The 2nd Amendment gives me NOTHING, nada, zip, zilch, Zamboni. I don't hunt or target shoot, I don't believe in giving anyone guns to overthrow the government, (I'm strange that way about murder) and I think a gun would be far more dangerous to me than any of the marauding criminals all you conservatives seem to think roam our gated communities in barbaric hordes. In exchange it has cost the lives of several thousands of innocent people over the past few years. Sorry, the price of your shooting "thug" targets at the range over the weekend, mythology or not, is just too high.

 

Just as a person could discover their child being molested by a convicted sex offender who was released on parole.

Because it is easiest for the media to sensationalize attacks committed with firearms. When was the last time any major media outlet gave days of coverage to a mass stabbing? When was someone beaten to death with a crowbar, and their story was given the same degree of coverage as someone being shot?

Many of these locations see fit to declare themselves off limits to the legal carrying of firearms. Why are they chosen as the locations in which mass killings will be directed?

You are not qualified to tell others what they may and may not do.

And undetermined number of which were allowed to cross as part of operation fast and furious by the ATF. Do you deny such?

None of which will help you in the middle of the night if someone is trying to illegally gain entry into your home.

You advocate for common sense. Yet you use nothing but political and emotional rhetoric.

At least thirty eight children die each year when left inside hot vehicles. If we were to enact a total prohibition on all motor vehicles, we could put an end to these unnecessary and easily avoidable deaths. If it saves even one life, then it is worth it. Your privilege to travel in the comfort of a privately owned motor vehicle does not top a child's right to life, or a parent's right to watch their child grow up.

If you wish to exercise emotional drivel, be prepared to face the consequences involved with your position.

 

You are just upset because your nanny state government doesn't love you enough to provide a 24/7 armed guard for you. You fear what people might do so much that you would take everybody's freedom and let bureaucrats coddle us with existence.

 

Yes, trying to save the lives of children from the insane and gun obsessed, those 'fear ridden' (I need a gun so the boogie man won't get me), is a certain sign of fear.....I am 76 years old and I would meet you in the street and stare you and your gun in the face...but then, I'm not a child...children should be afraid...if not of you....then your love of guns and lack of empathy for those killed by the availability your obsession provides....get some help!

 

Tell this hogwash to the thousands of people who have saved their lives with defensive gun use. CDC study shows approx 200 thousand DGU's per year in the US. This is a study ordered by this administration. Boy were they surprised at the results... not what they were hoping for.

 

Can you provide the url or some way to get to this information? And can it be confirmed that the study is legitimate?

 

Do you accuse the Center for Disease Control of being dishonest?

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

Read the study for yourself. Stop asking others to do your work for you because you lack commitment.