Politics is usually disgusting but once in a while..

we get it right. Indiana is facing a tremendous backlash for passing anti-gay legislation and the howls of outrage are coming from every direction including their own GOP leaders in the state. Everyone now understands that discrimination against anyone for sexual orientation is taboo, verboten, immoral and UnAmerican. How far we have come folks from just 10 years ago when Bush 2 made it one of the central themes of the 2004 election. It worked back then, now it is poison. Pence will end up eating this bill sooner or later, it is doomed. He can paste meaningless words on to but it will still stink and make him and his state look like bigoted neanderthals. People say that this country is center right. Baloney. The people themselves are center left on almost every issue, the problem is they are apathetic and disgusted with the types of legislation elected officials pursue and the coarse and mendacious media reporting on it. This issue is not going away. Corporations are not going to be seen supporting this type of discrimination, it's bad for business. So now we know how to influence right wing crazies. Hit them in their pocketbooks,nothing else phases them.

Indiana can get out of this mess by repealing this bill and signing a law outlawing discrimination based upon sexual orientation including giving them the right to marry. Then maybe they can crawl out of this hole. Maybe.

 

I like how the left spins this: A law that "could" cause discrimination in their minds has turned into a law that "will" cause discrimination. Tell you what, find that gay gene we've been told exists and then we'll believe homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice. Until then, don't make me cater to your choices that I disagree with.

 

Sorry, pal, but if you believe it is your prerogative to discriminate on the basis of race, creed, national origin OR gender, you should maybe look for a new country. It is not your prerogative to discriminate. Might as well cater, eh?

 

Read your post again. No one is being discriminated on the basis or race, creed, national orignal OR gender.

 

The law has been explained to the GOP in Indiana, they ignored it because they want to discriminate based upon religion. You might not hear this on Fox News but that is the truth.

 

Gender of course being a grammatical term.

 

To say that cake bakers aren't discriminating based on gender won't hold up anywhere.

 

Murphy's law - if it can happen, it will.

 

So, you believe that discrimination is wrong, or do you only believe that discrimination is wrong in certain cases? Please show me your posts where you are against Affirmative Action.

The US Constitution states that religious groups have the right to practice their faith. Since Christianity, Judaism and Islam all claim that Homosexuality is against their religion, a law that protects businesses that practice these religions from being forced to participate in religious ceremonies for homosexuals is not discrimination. It is their Constitutionally protected right. The real injustice here is that a state has to pass a law to enforce a right already given by the US Constitution.

 

Affirmative action was an acceptance of the fact that for over 400 years, blacks were either slaves, chattel, second class citizens and the victims of institutionalized racism and discrimination. It was a remedy for a situation that was so bad that extraordinary measures had to be tried to change the balance of commerce, education and so on. To equate AA with this law is absurd but it is similar in one respect. A once discriminated group is finally getting equality and the right wing racists, homophobes and hate mongers cannot stand it.

 

How is it "anti-gay"?

 

I think the supposed outrage is all hot air. There's going to be NO consequences.

Indiana Republicans won't be harmed at all by this come next election, just wait and see.

The majority can always get away with discriminating against a minority, it's just basic math.

 

Try reading something besides the Washington Times. Lawyers all across the nation have been writing how it allows for almost unlimited discrimination based upon religion. The primary backers of this specifically mentioned gays and lesbians. I strongly suggest you open your eyes to something besides right wing media. The world is far more complex than a Rush Limbaugh show.

http://web.law.columbia.edu/sites/d...ity/law_professors_letter_on_indiana_rfra.pdf

 

That's what George Wallace said.

 

The people who are against the bill are the people who misunderstand the bill.

Feelings trump facts, AS USUAL...

 

I think if people had the freedom to treat people any way they wanted to, this country would be far worse. Will a law that could cause discrimination lead to discirmination. Yes. As surely as legalizing drunk driving will escalate alcohol-related automobile accidents.

That's why this country is so broken. You can abuse the system either way. A strict interpretation of freedom of speech is bound to lead to oppression, and restricting freedom of speech is a form of oppression. At the least, we try to make sure no one is so blatantly discriminated against. And to be honest, you know perfectly well Gay's are looked upon negatively and will be treated negatively. Are these legislations for religious-based intolerance of homosexuality really being advanced to protect personal liberties or to provide people in the community with the means to suppress, ostracize, and penalize another group of people in the community?

 

Bingo!!!!

 

Are you kidding me? First of all, to even hint at treating them negatively Connecticut will discriminate against you and boycott your arse, so some business who may or may not be for the law is negatively impacted based up the state they reside in. And for just contributing to someone who opposes their lifestyle the leftists will destroy your life, i.e. Mozilla CEO.

 

Hyperbole.

 

I dont listen to Rush.. So much for your assumptions.. I asked YOU to say how it is "anti-gay" surely if it is that obvious you can display how!

 

The first slave arrived in 1619. Affirmative action was signed into law in 1961. How is that "over 400 years"? Are you spicing up your left-wing rhetoric with a bit of revisionism and exaggeration?

 

So if you claim human sacrifice is part of your religion, then you can kill people? So if you say smoking weed is part of your religion, then smoking weed is fine in states that it is illegal?

The law is the law. Either you can discriminate against gays, or you can't. To say, well it depends on your religion is moronic. The law is not based upon your religion...

This law is worthless pandering by the republicans, which seems to be all they are really good for. So either say that discrimination against gays is legal or not. As I understand it, in Indiana, sexual orientation is not a protected class, and it is not at a federal level, so people could already discriminate against gays in Indiana.

 

First, only a complete moron (read liberal) would believe that you can correct racism with institutional racism. Many experts have stated that AA has done more harm then good to the Black Community.

Now, let's put all the cards on the table so you can fully understand my position on this subject. Let's say I am a baker, and I own a bake shop. Additionally, I am Jew, Christian or Muslim. One day two men enter my bakery holding hands, and order a dozen donuts. Now, I can serve them, or refuse them service. If I choose to refuse to serve them, then you would be right. It would be blatant discrimination. But if those two men wanted to order a cake for their wedding, then it would be totally different. A wedding is a joining of these two individuals into a relationship that explicitly forbidden by my religion. Therefore my participation in the ceremony, no matter how small, is a violation of my religion. In that case, my refusal is a Constitutionally protected right. One additional factor has to be considered in this matter. In almost every case where I would refuse service, there is another bakery willing to provide the service. Therefore my refusal does not deny them anything.

 

How is anyone making you cater to their choices? lol

 

What prompted the Indiana legislature to write this legislation?

Who supported the passage of this law?

Who attended the signing ceremony?

What was their agenda?