Indiana pizza shop refuses to cater gay weddings under new law

I understand that some people make a fetish of intolerance, but why smear an entire religion by hiding behind it? People who favor equality are NOT attacking any religion at all.

 

Well, that kind of behavior in a pizza parlor would most likely be forbidden by law anyway. Whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.

 

If a group demands that you do something that is against your morals because of your beliefs... that group IS attacking your religion.

Equality is not about forcing people to do thing they don't want to do..

 

The GOP is tearing itself apart because of a few prissy candyarses that swoon every time some American that gives them the heebie jeebies orders a cake.

There is no religious taboo regarding baking cakes.

If you are a business licensed to serve the public, serve the public.

Stop whining about who might buy your damned cake.

It's just a cake!

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There are gay Chrisitians. There are gay Christian weddings. Most Christians do not discriminate against gay folks, whether Christians or not. That's the Christian thing to do.

 

The bartender has the right to refuse me a drink. Some exercise it. And yes, if you walk around in the tee, it is my right to refuse service, though I wouldn't personally.

 

he's not refusing gays... he's refusing the gay wedding. If a straight couple asks for the pizza parlor to to cater a gay wedding, and he turns them down, is it still "discrimination"


he's refusing service to both gays and heteros who ask for catering for the same time of event they dcon't condone.


if a black owned pizza parlor is asked by the KKK to cater their event.... is it racist for him to deny them?

what if the KKK got 2 black guys to go and order the pizza for the KKK event, is it now NOT racist for the pizza shop to still deny them?

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and that's fine. I would. Money is money to me... but just because I would, does not mean I think it's something all Christians should be forced to do if they object.

 

Then give your money to another business.

Problem solved.

 

He actually hasn't refused anyone. All he has done is exercised his free speech and said he would refuse, but since he hasn't actually refused, he hasn't done anything illegal in any state. Frankly it is a publicity stunt. It'll be interesting to see which way it affects his business.

 

So baking a cake or making a pizza for gay people is a sin? Care to show me the verse?

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Who mentioned sin? Do you give money to the Republican party? No? Is that discrimination by YOU?

 

I could be wrong, but in the case of the baker, it wasn't that he was making a cake for a gay couple, it what they wanted on the cake. A gay guy could have walked in and purchased as many donuts as he wanted without a problem.

 

Your right to buy food ends with the absence of a willing seller. Deal.

 

Nothing is going to happen, this explosion will die down soon enough and it will be back to business as usual.

Of curse some gays will be refused service but they will have no recourse to sue, so they will just have to suck it up and go to a business that want's their business.

This is basically tort reform.

 

good thing a whole nation would never gang up on a minority group and refuse to sell them stuff.

oh...wait......Nazi Germany.

 

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Agree but sell the pizza and then let the gays know that the money they spent is going to an anti-gay group would send a message would it not?

 

Sure it would.

You know how you can also send a message? by spelling words and slogans out on the pizza with pepperoni.

Of course you wait until after it cooks, then arrange the meat to say what you want - then call them a liar when they complain.

 

Sexual orientation is not a Federally protected class. A city or State ordinance can protect sexual orientation from discrimination and many states and municipalities have enacted them. However it is not against Federal law to refuse service to someone based upon their sexual orientation.

Legally protecting a "behavior" is a slippery slope.

 

I'll ask this again, when is the last time gay people had sex in front of you? Is this a behavior you observe often?

After you answer those questions, here's another: Am I only gay when I have sex? Even better- are you only heterosexual when you're having sex, or are you always heterosexual?

 

I'm approaching the issue from a legal vantage point. if the gays want protection from discrimination in Indiana, they can push for local ordinances that prohibit discrimination based on their sexual orientation. This would circumvent this new law. Their goal should be to become a legally protected class...however it is a behavior. Two men getting married is a behavior...some Christians don't support that particular action. if they wanted a dozen pizzas delivered and made no mention of the behavior, who would know?

Even before this law, discrimination based on sexual orientationi was not illegal in Indiana. I don't understand the outrage now, when it was never illegal in the first place. Sexual orientation would need to be recognized as a legally protected class in order to make it illegal. 21 States and many municipalities have enacted laws that do this.

Like I said, sexual orientation is not recognized on the Federal level as a protected legal class. Therefore this is a State and local issue.

 

A bit more information about this situation:

http://www.abc57.com/story/28681598...ly-deny-same-sex-service#.VRveGWReCEw.twitter

1. News crews were looking for feedback after the recent legislation.
2. But they never said they'd deny them service. They just would refuse to cater:

"The O'Connor family told ABC 57 news that if a gay couple or a couple belonging to another religion came in to the restaurant to eat, they would never deny them service.

The O'Connors say they just don't agree with gay marriages and wouldn't cater them if asked to."

That all said, it still begs the question of how these people contacted the news crews in the first place. People savvy enough to issue a press release are usually savvy enough to know what a PR disaster this would be. I suspect they were manipulated by friends of simular political persuasion without their best interests in mind.

Another link on the social media fall out:
http://www.abc57.com/story/28691460/social-media-reaction-to-memories-pizza

 

Do you think the whole nation is going to gang up on the gays and "refuse to sell them stuff"?

 

Nothing like that is on the horizon, obviously - at least not for homosexuals in America. Conservative Christians, maybe.

 

I'm still struggling to figure out why this pizza shop would make a bold press release like this.
If I'm reading it right they are pretty much declaring that they would not be willing to serve at a homosexual wedding
But then....
Have they been solicited to serve at a homosexual wedding?
How rare is it for pizza to be served at a wedding, or is that an Indiana thing?

Maybe this family is making a pre-emptive strike on where they stand on this issue.... but I wonder if they realize the homosexual tidal wave that they are up against.
With enough negative social media and press coverage, the fallout form publicity could be huge. OR it could blow over. For your sakes I hope it blows over.

Got no problem with you pizza guys taking a stand, just be wary that in this digital age and with the current mindset; things can go south really quick

All the best

 

This is delusional.