"I don't think the pilot's religion is necessarily what's we should be looking for."

a mental illness that compels them to murder children? dont you think thats slightly concerning in the least? a mental illness that compels someone to murder 130 people is not a concern? even though he lived in what you describe as a perfectly civilized society, affluent, career driven, mountain hiking enthusiast?

 

since when do severelly mentally ill, suicidal people take into account the age of their victims when they can't actually see them?

you assume to much, ask to much, and are begging for excuses.

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40% of murders in the USA committed by blacks, but they are 13% of the USA.

is this due to mental illness? poor upbringing? fatherless homes? sub-culture that glorifies violence?

 

Of course it bothers me! I said as much several times throughout this thread. The fact is . . . some people are cold-hearted, selfish and psychopathic. Psychopathic means you have NO empathy for others, and it is a mental illness.

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I believe that gang crime is a combination of poor upbringing and a sub culture that glorifies violence, most definitely. Plenty of people are raised in fatherless homes and do not commit murders though.

 

judging by this forum, dont you think there is a very high proportion of people who exhibit these traits?

 

prohibition (gang violence), the other 40% are done by poor whites, then you have a few rich spoiled brat idiots and then the mental cases

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well since this thread is now about race, culture, and murder, we need to discuss why 40% of murders in the USA are committed by blacks, when they only make up 13% of our population.

and no, poverty doesn't cause people to commit murder.

 

I agree to an extent. However, poverty can lead to a poor upbringing. For example, a mom and dad that have to work all the time and never have time for their children. OTOH, both of my parents had to work hard, and I certainly didn't get a lot of attention. I was a latchkey kid, and although I wasn't a perfect child, I was never a criminal and I have never even contemplated murdering a person or people. It's not an easy thing to figure out. Experts have been trying for years, of course.

 

fatherless home+ poverty+culture that glorifies violence, extreme materialism, and lack of empathy for your fellow man= crime rate gone crazy!!!!

 

Hmm. What about a motherless home. There are quite a few of those nowadays, you know. I've known and met quite a few men who are raising their children without a mother in the picture, for various reasons, most often being drug abuse.

 

fatherless homes seem to be a huge factor in a child without self-discipline, and heading towards a life a crime.

add that to a sub-culture that glorifies violence, extreme materialism, and total lack of empathy for your fellow man, and you have a massive crime wave

 

I agree with the other factors, but I've known plenty of people who grew up in single-parent homes and turned out fine, or at least functional. Let's not forget that a lot of rich people that have two-parent homes can be very weird and commit their own share of crimes, just of a different type.

 

like I said, its not just single-parent homes that's the problem. Its all the horrible cultural stuff and poverty that makes a criminal mind.

 

I think you can come from a single-parent home and be poor and still be a good person though. I think it has to do with your upbringing. If you have at least ONE loving parent who actually bothers to teach you right from wrong and gives consequences for bad behavior, you are going to be alright.

 

yes, you can have only one parent, be poor, and still not be a criminal.

but add that to a sub-culture that glorifies crime, extreme materialism, and total lack of empathy for fellow human beings, and even I would become a thug criminal.

 

Yep, I agree with you on the the glorifying violence thing and being materialistic. TOTAL lack of empathy, though . . . I think that IS a symptom of mental illness.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/psychopathy

What is Psychopathy?

Psychopathy is among the most difficult disorders to spot. The psychopath can appear normal, even charming. Underneath, they lack conscience and empathy, making them manipulative, volatile and often (but by no means always) criminal. They are an object of popular fascination and clinical anguish: psychopathy is largely impervious to treatment.

It is important to note that the vast majority of people with antisocial tendencies are not psychopaths.

Jerks, Criminals and Murderers

Don't be fooled––psychopaths come in a range of flavors.

 

crap.

looks like the logical conclusion of my argument is that a sub-culture that glorifies violence and lack of empathy for the suffering of fellow human beings, is a society of psychopaths. That's not what I wanted to see.

 

Lol. Not really. SOME are, and some are just sociopaths. I think that is more the case for violent criminals though. Some of them are just stupid selfish kids too. That's my opinion anyway.

 

yes, "sociopath" is a better term.

 

absolutely agree, it's not how many parents you have, it's how many people around you love you..... if your an unwanted child, chances are your gonna have issues growing up even if you have two parents

and then some kids are raised in loving homes and just still turn on bad....

over-population has part to do with it too, there are a lot more people around and less jobs (foreign outsourcing has not helped either)

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sub-culture that glorifies extreme materialism and lack of empathy for the suffering of others, also doesn't help.

 

I agree with you in part, but again, I have to say that plenty of people are poor and out of work and do not choose crime. That is the case more often than not, in fact.

 

yes, but the temptation to commit crime is greater when you are poor and unemployed.

 

Sure, but if you were raised right, you wouldn't give in to that temptation, especially when it involves hurting people.

Let's also not forget that there are some notorious serial killers who were reportedly brought up in perfectly "normal" 2-parent households, such as Jeffrey Dahmer. Now, THAT is psychopathy.

 

don't disagree, but the percentage those turning to crime is higher among the poor for obvious reasons, lack of child care, the young see older teens making tons of money in gangs (from prohibition) ect....

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but we seem to be getting way off topic, this pilot seems to have been suffering from depression, not sure if if was raised poor, rich, one parent or two, he was even raised Christian, and still did these horrible things