On Plane Crashes, Police Custody Deaths and Race Riots!

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  1. Kurmugeon

    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

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    Hypothetical scenario of a plane crash caused primarily by a cascade of small human errors and character flaws.

    1] John Smith, Traveling salesman, in a troubled marriage, stays out late drinking, and arrives at the airport late, with his checked bag poorly packed, and checks in at the very last possible moment.

    2] The bag has to be search by TSA, due to the late arrival. When the case is opened spill contents everywhere, irritating the searcher, and delaying the counter line, and the contents are jammed roughly back into the case and re-closed with a number of items hanging partly out of the seams of the suitcase.

    3] On the conveyor belt, a sweatshirt drawstring, hanging out of the edge of the suit case, gets caught in a drive sprocket, and flips the case off of the conveyor, down upon the head of a airport cargo loading tech, pops open, spinning contents everywhere, hinges and latch completely busted, and is set aside, never to board the aircraft.

    4] But the nasty hand injury suffered by the loader is bleeding like crazy, in a rapid block of the falling suitcase.

    Another suitcase also knocked off of the conveyor, pops open, leaking women's lingerie out of the seams when re-closed.

    The injured loader ignores the company procedures for on-the-job injuries, and presses-on to load the cart of baggage, nursing a hastily bandaged hand, his judgment impaired by the left over dental work oxycodone pills his supervisor gave him to "just get through the end of this shift". His fingers slick with blood, distracted by pain and irritation, he fails to properly close the cargo hatch, and misses the few inches of a brazier strap hanging out of a corner of the door.

    5] The stewardess giving refreshment to the flight crew, is very angry with the pilot, for his having become engaged to that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Carla!, a stewardess from a competing airline, even after he told her he "loved" her, every time they slept together. So, she uses the microwave to super heat his coffee, in a petty attempt scald his lying tongue.

    6] The Pilot is just reaching for his non-standard Coffee Mug sized coffee mug, made for the cockpit cup holders of another type aircraft. It almost fits the cup holder, and is an official cockpit approved model, just not for this type of aircraft. And it has a special, hidden double entendre monogram etched into the front, next to the Captain's Name, a gift from his fiancée, the lovely Carla.

    The bra strap, hanging from cargo load hatch, being dragged by the slip stream, is further and further out of the crevasse between door and airframe, dragging its suitcase behind, until it bangs against the door, in a moment of turbulence, and the door pops open, dropping out the suitcase, which is promptly ingested by the jet engine, causing massive compressor blade failure and flame out.

    The sudden damage causes the plane to lurch, and the pilots hand clips the coffee cup on the way to the control yoke, and the cup goes flying.

    7] Distracted by pain of over-hot burning coffee, in a critical moment of rapid decision, the Pilot begins a turn back toward the runway for an emergency landing, but makes the fatal error on going right, instead of left, placing the wing with the destroyed engine on the inside of the turn, where its drag and lack of power, makes the tendency of the aircraft to yawl further right and roll at a steeper angle, greatly amplified.

    8] The Co-Pilot, distracted by the anguished burn screams of the pilot, hits Intercom rather than Emergency Radio, transmit switch, and broadcasts to the passenger cabin, rather than the ATC tower, the in-flight emergency of a cabin depressurization, and engine failure.


    9] Two months earlier, during extended aircraft maintenance, a new dome antenna, to make a data link to satellites was installed atop the aircraft, a few feet forward of the wing root, to allow an aggressive new startup company, to sell in-flight wifi access to passengers, for their cells, and laptops.

    Desperate to get rapid approval of their product, the CEO uses a few shady lobbyists to bribe the FAA officials into signing off on the impact of the antenna on the aircraft's flight characteristics, even though the complete, normal round of wind tunnel and flight tests had not been completed.

    10] Many passenger's hearing the Co-Pilot's intercom announcement of the Aircraft's Peril, hop out of their seats, and rush the damaged wing side of the aircraft to peer out of the windows.

    Some passengers are flung to the downward side of the aircraft, because they faked/ignored the stewardesses requirement to wear the seat belts during take-off and landing. They ALWAYS do so, out of spite, discomfort, ignorance, and contempt for authorities.

    Some passenger who were belted in, release their belts, and rush with cell video cam's in hand, hoping to film the drama, for later big profits in selling the footage to MSM News agencies.

    The sudden shift of the body weight of two dozen passengers rushing to that side of the aircraft, makes center of gravity of the plane suddenly shift, and furthers the wing dip on that side.

    Finne] The bouncing coffee mug rolls under the rudder pedals, making a coordinated turn impossible. Slip stream air, coming across, rather than down the fuselage, passing over the untested antenna dome, becomes turbulent, and becomes roiling vortex, right as it hits the wing root of the in-board wing.

    This creates a wave of stalled air, which rushes down the length of the leading edge of the wing, completely stalling and halting all lift product on ONE SIDE of the Aircraft.

    The Aircraft rapidly flips almost 180 degrees upside down, drops a critical 100 knots of airspeed, stalls completely on both wings, and then plunges nearly two thousand feet straight down to kill all aboard.


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    Now, Apply this same kind of thinking/scenario to a few of things which might have contributed to a chain of events which led to Freddie Gray dying in police custody.

    Questions for Debate:
    Can't you see how the Police Custody Death of Freddie Gray is likely to turn out to be not caused by any single person's "Guilt" or mistake, but a long series of small mistakes and misjudgments, which cascaded?!

    Can you think of a few of the factors, such as over-worked, irritated Police officers, or Freddie being paranoid, after previous arrests, which might have contributed, each in a small way, to the cascade?

    Without a clear, single, clear mistake, to blame the death upon, doesn't such situations make it possible to demagogue and manipulate the death into an incitement to riots, by those who profit from the chaos?

    Shouldn't we WAIT to hear what the investigation reveals?

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  2. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    Of course! The fact is that it's just not all that easy to 80% sever the spine or neck column despite what arm-chair leftist-agenda hate-junkies want to believe and so it smacks of either a precondition that got re-injured during a normal arrest procedure or a freaking Act of God, which nobody can predict anyway because . . . it's a bloody damn Act of God. Either way the man would be alive had he -- an experienced criminal, mind you -- not gotten all stupid on the police and wildly resisted arrest.

    But waiting for the facts to surface is too much like being responsible and law-abiding citizens for leftists to tolerate. Leaping to conclusions based on inadequate and incredibly shallow surface data is what they DO. They did so during the Trayvon, Brown, and Garner events and they are doing so now with the Gray event because when you get right down to it they are driven by ideologically-based political agendas and not by an actual desire for or interest in . . . justice. Justice which deals with the truth and not feeeeeelings or political agendas.

    So even if this, the fourth time in a row that they have sent this nation into convulsions, they finally turn out to be correct, that still won't make null and void the fact that they are emotions driven and not ruled by logic or facts.
     
  3. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    Of course, all this is solid evidence of your point, having been constructed entirely out of a made up scenario that has nothing to do with anything.

    I know what the Baltimore Police call the "rough ride", and I have little doubt that's what killed Freddie Gray.
     
  4. Gateman_Wen

    Gateman_Wen Well-Known Member

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    Your hypothetical scenario is anything but "a cascade of small human errors and character flaws." There are several serious crimes in there.

    Absolutely no comparison to the police abuse case. The mans back was not broken by "a cascade of small human errors and character flaws."

    This is nothing but an unabashed apology for police brutality.

    I'va also seen this post, word for word, at least two other places today.
     
  5. Gatewood

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    Welllllllllllll . . . had I and my gang of ideological -- um -- wishful thinkers been wrong three times in a row while promoting a meme that convulsed this nation I just might -- gasp! -- be a trifle hesitant about jumping on top of the exact same left-aligned Mainstream Media bandwagon for a fourth time . . . before anything meaningful is actually known. But then Right of Center people do tend to err on the side of caution where deliberately sinking a knife into the emotional underbelly of the entire nation is concerned.
     
  6. catswiththumbs

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    Police brutality should never be condoned or go unprosecuted - however:

    If you live in a high crime area and:

    A. Have a long criminal record and warrants out for your arrest, and . . .
    B. Believe (rightly or wrongly) the police will kick your ass if given the opportunity;

    . . . then why, oh why, would you do ANYTHING to draw police attention to yourself?

    Social Darwinism - thinning the herd.
     
  7. TomFitz

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    It must be making the rounds in the dark corners where the racists hide!

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    I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing that I could divine out of that nonsense was the assertion that right wingers "err on the side of caution", which is utterly, and ridiculously false on its face!
     
  8. TomFitz

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    Since Freddie Gray did nothing to "draw attention to himself" one has to wonder what your point is.
     
  9. catswiththumbs

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    Ah - I imagine the po-lice were just bored.

    If one has warrants out for his/her arrest, being in public will often bring police attention. I do not believe Mr. Gray had current warrants - his criminal record for drug sales in the neighborhood he was arrested is public record - he was well known to the police.

    So . . . IF you are awaiting trial on charges (for offenses allegedly committed in the same area of this latest incident) and you KNOW the police have their eye on you, and you believe the police are out to get you - well, you know the rest.
     
  10. Gateman_Wen

    Gateman_Wen Well-Known Member

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    So what you're saying is "watch out! The cops could decide to beat your ass at any time!"
     
  11. catswiththumbs

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    That may or may not be the case - we'll see. I'm saying Mr. Gray was a dumbass for hanging out where he had been arrested multiple times ( and was awaiting trial) and, if reports are accurate, believed the police were out to get him. No doubt he was on the police radar.

    If you had a multi-page rap sheet, a deep distrust of the police, and were awaiting trial, would you go hang out in the neighborhood where you had recently been arrested?
     
  12. TomFitz

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    Repeating yourself does not make you any more credibile.

    The Baltimore Police have yet to release ANY details regarding the arrest. We know from witnesses and from video that Freddie Gray was not doing anything to draw attention to himself other than riding a bike, contrary to your continued insinuations.
     
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    Liberals have more faith in Obama than Muslims have in Allah.

    Or at least they did, until he doubled down on his use of the "T-word." You know what word I mean. I mean t(*)(*)(*).
     
  14. TomFitz

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    Uh............ maybe it's because he lives there...........
     
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    Well, this is the opinion thread - as posted above, it is my opinion, given the the few facts we are sure of (Mr. Gray's arrest record, where this latest incident took place, his past interactions with law enforcement, his stated wariness of the police, and his status on bail awaiting trial) Mr. Gray did not put himself in an optimal position to avoid further police interaction.

    The credibility of the few facts is not in question - whether Mr. Gray should or should not be posthumously given MENSA membership is a matter for debate.
     
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    Perhaps he would have been better served keeping a lower profile, going to stay with Aunt Betsy across town, or simply avoiding the area he was known to sell drugs.

    Given his reported distrust of law enforcement and his belief they were out to get him, it seems self preservation would have been a good decision making catalyst.
     
  17. Gateman_Wen

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    NO ONE should have to fear being beaten to death by police officers. Where he was hanging out is totally irrelevant. You are trying to shift the blame to the victim, but the point you are actually making is "Cops are dangerous to be around because they could decide to beat you to death at any time."
     
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    They are two different issues.

    1. Police should be punished for police brutality - I stated that earlier.

    2. Freddy Gray was a dumbass for not laying low when he was on the police watchlist, awaiting trial, and fearful of the police.

    Mr. Gray believing the police might beat him does not make police brutality acceptable.

    By the same token, Mr. Gray, with his rap sheet, upcoming trial, and fear of the police did not exhibit the basic common sense behavior of self preservation.

    I may believe the dog next door will bite me - I should probably not go sit in it's yard with a bag of pork chops.
     
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    If the airline had over 100 plane crashes in the last 4 years and paid millions in judgments and settlements with the legal stipulation that plaintiffs were prohibited from publicizing or discussing the crash in any way, isn't it reasonable to assume that there is something seriously wrong with this airline and it's practices regardless of the specifics of the latest crash?
     
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    Yep, now that both the Mayor of Baltimore and Barack Obama have repeatedly called rioters thugs, PC leftists don't know what the hell to do with their shibboleth that anyone using the word 'thug' is automatically a hater of Blacks and a racist. Sweet!
     
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    Still searching for a way to blame the victim, I see.
     
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    If it is determined the police used excessive force and caused Mr. Gray's injury, they are of course to blame.

    As restated multiple times in this thread, it is my opinion Mr. Gray displayed no more capacity for wise decision making than a bag of hammers while frequenting an area where he had already been arrested and patrolled by police he believed were out to get him.

    Per my earlier comparison - my neighbors may keep a mean dog illegally off a leash and let it roam - I know this. It would behoove me to avoid the dog.

    If the dog bites me when I get too close is it my fault? No - neighbors are responsible for their unleashed animal.
    Am I a dumbass for walking too close to a dog I know will come after me? You betcha.
     
  23. Kurmugeon

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    I'm not an expert in plane crashes, nor in aviation safety. I did work for and around those experts occasionally, as I created and used pods on aircraft pylons for jamming, radar and other purposes. On those subjects, I am an expert, and not allowed to speak at all. My level of knowledge in crash forensics is just enough to know how ignorant I am.

    But, I know just enough about crash forensics to write a plausible fiction about an aircraft tragedy, in the process of explaining how complex systems are never what they seem on the surface. Maybe not completely accurate in all respects, but that's not what is needed to communicate the core idea of the OP... WAIT for the Investigation.

    This thread is obsolete now, in that the very subject it was written to address, has come true, and been proven out.

    The motivations of the police officers involved in Freddie's death were not of racism, they were frustrated cops seeking law and order, who let their power and zeal cloud their judgement.

    The Black Rioters who were throwing large metal objects through Pub windows at White Dinners, turned out to be nothing more than Loot seeking opportunist criminals at best, and manipulative, violently radical, anti-white, socialist revolution incitement terrorists at worst. And most of those instigating the violence were not even Baltimore Residents.

    The low-income to middle class people of Baltimore lost big-time to the selfish interests of BOTH categories, and while the problem of police brutality is now on the radar and getting addressed, it is at the cost of losing 45 years worth of progress toward racial harmony.

    Because of the Businesses and JOBS that will now leave Baltimore, low-income, innocent Baltimore citizens, black and white, will suffer more from the riots, than anyone else.

    Sad and STUPID!

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