Sagged pants should be outlawed

Precisely! Liberals and libertarians living together in their nudist utopia. I can see it now!

 

Well, let's see now. Aren't you also pandering to fashion with your nice suit and tie and shiny shoes? I know plenty of well-dressed 'losers', many of them working for giant corporations where an Italian suit and hand-made English shoes didn't prevent them from being crooks.
You know what I find stupid; those who don't know how to wear a suit. Three buttons; never button more than the middle one. Double-breasted; always leave the lower button undone. Waistcoat (vest in America); always leave the bottom button undone. Never wear a striped tie with striped shirt, never wear brown shoes with a black suit-although brown shoes are acceptable with a grey suit out of business hours-and never wear slip-on shoes with a suit. These are long-standing conventions and most Americans don't have a clue how to dress correctly for business.

 

As I have explained in the thread previously the axiom of my morality is the argument that the boundary that separates an action from an immoral action is harm. But as a relativist I understand that my morality is only relative to me as others will have their own basis of morality that may or may not be inline with my own.

Calling out one for judging others based solely upon harmless action causes no psychological harm to anyone. To insinuate otherwise is just silly. Judging others as a negitive because of harmless action can and does cause psychological harm... for example bullied kids who go on to commit suicide or suffer a nervous breakdown.

 

Looking at clothes isn't the same as looking at underwear and someone's exposed butt.

 

I do mind my own business. If I didn't, I would tell them that they think they look cool while everyone else thinks they look like morons and losers...and like they're waiting to bend over for an alpha male.

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Only because dressing like an idiot isn't against the law, but exposing underwear and a butt should be.

 

Then you would be wrong because that's exactly where it came from.

That's exactly what people like you think if they see a woman dressed like that by your own admission. That's why I wouldn't dress like that. So given that fact, kids and grown men who dress with sagged pants must be as stupid as they look.

Ever hear the saying, "You are what you wear"?

 

There is a difference between a 'venue' where drinking is allowed and being drunk in public, like in a department store, grocery store, on the street, etc., and the reason for that is to protect the public who don't care to be exposed to a drunken fool.

Knowing what the function of a butt is, I don't want to have to look at some idiot's butt.

 

I just hope all the furniture in your nudist utopia is Scotchguarded.

 

You're kidding, right?

In order to attempt to justify your position, you're comparing kids who get bullied and go on to commit suicide, to whatever blowback these hoodlums get for wearing saggy pants?

Kids in most instances get bullied for things outside their control.....how they look, how they talk, etc. They're not making a conscious decision to do anything that is causing the bullying. On the flipside, these young people that choose to wear saggy pants are making a conscious decision, and quite frankly, are inviting and relishing in all the attention it draws to them. And I highly doubt any of them goes out and commits suicide over others commenting negatively on their stupid fashion statement.

Your analogy? Epic failure.

 

I doubt everyone thinks the look like morons and losers. Just ole fuddy duddies who are passed their prime and can't stand change.
I bet many of their friends think they look cool.
BTW - I would probably fall into my ole fuddy duddy category. But I also try not to judge a book by its cover.

If it's on a female and the butt is nice, I have no problem looking. But that's just me.

 

They were probably right in my case but they are indeed morons.

 

Yes, and it's a meaningless saying. Bernie Madoff looked great in a suit; did he look like thieving bastard and a fraudster in it? Oh, and just in case you're of a Christian persuasion; "judge not lest ye be judged". Follow that maxim and you'll be a happier person.

 

No, that is only your inaccurate interpretation of what I said which is far removed from what I actualy said. You make all who wear saggy pants out to be hoodlums when many if not most are just middle class kids who like to skateboard and go to the mall. The above quote represents a steriotype. Inaccurately labeling someone and then treating them based upon a bias can be psychologically harmful to some thus it is immoral by my measure of morality.

I disagree as wearing clothing that lay outside social convention is not an open invitation to abuse... to think otherwise is illogical by my measure of logic. Blaming the victim as the source of their abuse is illogical by my measure of logic. Teaching our young to be intolerant of that which is different is illogical by my measure of logic. Adults that preach stereotypes and actively practice bias should be called out... as judgment of harmless action is immoral by my measure of morality.

Maybe, maybe not... but I am betting that there are kids out there who have been bullied just for wearing saggy pants and suffered some sort of psychological harm whether it be depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts... etc which makes the bullying immoral by my measure of morality.

 

I'm going to run around in my underwear too. It must okay if all of the gangbangers do it and don't get in trouble. I don't wanna see Deontrius' undies.

 

Is that a threat? No need for the nuclear option there lady, but if you do go that route, I will support your right to make that decision for yourself regardless of whether the image would turn my stomach or not.

 

I'm really taken back on this debate. If one wants to look like a total loser then let them! All they are doing is hurting themselves! I personally like (in this case) to be able to profile low class people from the higher group. I mean it actually makes things easier for the better class if you think of it that way. I say MORE POWER to the losers of the World! ...but in reality "Power" is the last thing they most likely will ever achieve. But Libs (do what you do best) and encourage that type of behavior!

...oh and YES! ....This is my opinion!!!

 

I would agree with that if not for the liberal rioting over 'targeting' and 'profiling' based on the rightful ID'ing of these losers by their clothing. If people ID these losers as thugs by their clothing, to them, that places YOU in the wrong.

 

I am no liberal. We are a nation of laws. Bills are written and laws are passed all the time. That's what we have legislation and legislators for.

 

That's amazing. In the first post you take a dump all over the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution and then in the second post you rattle on about being, "a nation of laws." You can't have it both ways.

 

Profiling is common sense, that's why liberals are against it. If a group of people get profiled, they're anger should be directed towards those who are causing them to be profiled. Don't like being treated like a thug? Don't act like one and don't dress like one. Thugs look a certain way. When someone calls 911 on a thug, he's described a certain way. It's THAT thug, who is causing others who are dressed like him to be profiled.

Do something about those thugs before you whine about being profiled. When that happens, maybe the profiling would lessen.

I'm Hispanic. If I were profiled as being illegal, I would be angry with liberals because they are the ones to blame for all the illegal immigration here and creating the atmosphere of profiling.

If I were Muslim and profiled, my anger would be directed towards the terrorists who caused the need for profiling.

If anger were directed towards the appropriate sources, maybe those groups would change perceptions about them.

 

Okay...so you've decided to double down on the dump you're taking on the 4th Amendment. Fair enough. Does this mean that you are done with all of your, "nation of laws," BS? Or are you going to switch gears again?

 

+1. This is what I've been saying all along, but by calling these young people hoodlums, losers, or whatever, I've been bombarded with accusations of potentially causing them psychological harm.

 

I am simply not averse to common sense. When the people committing acts of terrorism look a certain way, I think it's stupid to strip search old grandmas in wheelchairs all in the interest of idiotic liberal 'PC'ness'. The 4th Amendment, or any amendment for that matter, is only a concern to you when it fits your agenda.

 

It's sad, but a law against baggy pants actually would inspire a revolt, but the complete tyranny people live under does not. Lol.

 

Lol! Funny!

Well, I just thought that considering how much you seem to hate underwear.