Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour

Uhhh, it is the great society of LBJ that have made the poor deliberately addicted to the gov't handouts. It is those handouts that have kept the poor slaves to gov't control. You might want to look at the harm the policies that the deems continue to lean on. It's only about them using our tax dollars to give more handouts, creating even more addiction so they can continue to buy votes and stay in power. My hope is that people will get smarter than a den handout and do more for themselves and break free of a dem addiction. It is actually bankrupting our country financially, and educationally. Keep'em dumb and dependent seems to be the dem way. That is a sad future knowing you might need anything from hussein.

 

Perhaps that was the sole purpose of the minimum wage when it was enacted, but unfortunately that's just not how the world works. I would love to live in a world where everyone makes a fair wage and everyone has every basic necessity of life, but that's simply not the world we live in. I'll go a step further and assert that the world will never/could never be that way. My whole point to these stories as you call them is that every single worker that we have could easily move through the ranks and get paid substantially more. Unfortunately, a good majority of them lack the drive/desire to move forward in their position. Many of them are either content with their position, or not willing to take on more responsibility. That is no ones fault but their own. Not the tax payers, and surely not business.

Employees being paid well is good for business, but if you want to raise the minimum wage 2x you better expect to pay around 2x as much for your products.

 

Sure it works, you're just trying the you and others condone bending the rules. Minimum wage has worked for a century albeit better before 1980. We have lived in that world it's called America it prospered not allowing (*)(*)(*)(*)y businessmen to pay unfair rates. If you say it can never be that way then I am sorry and this isn't an insult but more of a intellectual gauge, you're completely ignorant of the last century of history because that's exactly how it has been. Our nation was civilized enough in the early 30s to allow wages at MINIMUM to pay a living wage. It was made very clear business that can sustain it have no place in this country. Again your talking about drive/desire and it's all red herring BS. This has nothing to do with minimum wage, I will iterate "people at the very bottom of the wage chain "minimum" gets to made a living wage that's the way it's setup. To argue for anything less is trying to regress our social structure about a century in time. I'm sorry but that's just silly, no one wants this and you can't peddle this BS to the working public because the majority are poor and we know you can't live off minimum wage.

Tough demographic to try to peddle nonsense to.
-39 percent of American workers made less than $20,000 last year.
-52 percent of American workers made less than $30,000 last year.
-63 percent of American workers made less than $40,000 last year.
-72 percent of American workers made less than $50,000 last year.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-24/50-american-workers-make-less-28031-year

 

I have a feeling this isn't going to end well, which is bad enough on it's own, but made doubly worse when you consider how hard it would be to repeal the law and have everyone go back to making the current minimum wage.

But, since they went ahead and did it, lets see how it plays out. I am extremely doubtful but it's always possible it ends up working differently than predicted.

 

Usually after Californians spend a few years in the land of parakeet sized Mosquitos and knee deep red mud, (Texas) they come back and really learn to appreciate the golden state. I spent four years in Colorado Springs and after a couple of Memorial Day BBQs got snowed out, I couldn't wait to come home. Good riddance to all those who are streaming into Texas. I hope they end up waiting tables at the Olive Garden.

 

Excuse me, but why are you ignoring the obvious fact that businesses can't pay whatever they like?

It's been pointed out a number of times now how the minimum wage hurts the poorest people. You completely ignore this and instead try to say that a minimum wage is needed because if there wasn't a minimum wage, we'd be going back to the stone age because people will be forced to accept wages that are far below what their labor is worth?

Why do you ignore the fact that employers hire people because labor has value?

 

I am not ignoring it. if they can't pay a minimum wage then they can't operates in the US. That's how it's been for almost a century. We have no need for sweatshops here this is now what people want. Minimum wage is needed if we didn't have it people would offer less, (you're trying to advocate it right now). history is not bias and has shown us where that road leads.(the whole reason we had to enact fair working rights as a country to begin with)

I never said labor didn't have value, I just pointed out civilization has demanded a minimum to keep sharks at bay. eg minimum wage/living wage

To answer your question more pointedly, It's the law and the law was enacted to eradicate all shady businesses that *couldn't" afford to pay minimum wage. We have no place for that here, may I offer China a viable alternative for your business? I don't think they pay much attention to living standards.

 

Okay, so you understand that labor does have value, and that not all labor is the same. You are willing to accept the higher unemployment because well.... that's how it has been for half a century and you don't need places where people sweat while working.

Just the next time you go through an economically depressed area, I lay the blame squarely at your feet. People with the same idea told those guys who were educated in grossly incompetent public schools that they can't have jobs because guys like you don't like that particular idea.

That's on you, dude.

 

That's a red herring argument that again doesn't have anything to do with minimum wages purpose. It's obvious you're speaking through passion instead of rational reasoning.

tisk tisk, I hate to tell people they're ill informed but I don't have any alternative. You're completly wrong sweatshop labor will not make this country more prosperous.

If you have time please read this and study the evidence, from now on I will call you out on your gross opinion of how civilization should regress a century so you can peddle cheap labor.
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm

 

No, if you want to discuss the problems associated with the minimum wage, you don't refer somebody to some web page. If you want to borrow an idea from that page, then that's fine. But giving somebody a web page site and telling them to go get educated is not debate.

Similarly, calling something a logical fallacy without explaining how that fallacy is relevant to what you are replying to is not kosher. You need to explain why what I said is a red herring.

 

Yep; Texas exists for those people who want to work for a living whereas California exists for those two other classifications of people; those who do not want to work for a living and those people who enjoy working for a living in order to provide a nice lifestyle for those people who do not want to . . . work for a living. Something for everybody . . . Sweet!

 

Has a McDonald's burger improved over the past 20 years of regular price hikes, or is it the same mystery meat slime in a bun? Here's what Forbes has to say on the subject of the imaginary price increases which conservatives obsess over: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...donalds-workers-were-paid-15-an-hour-nothing/

 

Yes, those with money, especially a LOT of money do invest, but they only invest when they expect to earn a profit from their investments. So, it demand is down, particularly if it due to low incomes, then there isn't much reason to invest. They can also make money by buying and combining companies (laying off a bunch in the process) and make a profit, but that doesn't do the average worker much good, does it? Or, they can just park their monies in government bonds and wait for the economy to improve. As far as corporate research, I read recently that it's down, particularly basic research, at the same time government funding for it is being cut. Both of those do not bode well for our future.

 

Maybe, maybe not. First off, you don't know that they are moving because of the $15 minimum. Next, maybe many of those 100 will move to the new plant if the jobs pay anything worth moving for, though I suspect that wasn't the case. So about all that happened was that if these apparently low income level job holders did stay, there might be some additional unemployment benefits paid (since many of those low income workers might already be receiving benefits from the government).

 

Neither does this.

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 26 May 2015 at 11:49:53 AM GMT is:



The estimated population of the United States is 320,658,724, so each citizen's share of this debt is $56,640.57.​

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

 

It's in the original article.

 

OK. Didn't go there. But then there's this:

The company has offered some employees positions in Reno, but others must reapply.

No mention of how many were offered positions.

Then this:

Burroughs wants to keep production in the United States, though the company does have a plant in Ireland. Burroughs said Seattle’s new minimum wage would “eventually add up to a few million dollars a year.”

What that tells me is that this particular company was paying crap wages to a lot of people, told to pay a living wage, and decided to moved their crap jobs and crap wages elsewhere. Sounds like a win for Seattle.

 

What a myopic view of the world you have. Tell me, do you have an iPhone? Those are assembled in China for about 4 dollars an hour. I'll bet you own a T shirt that was assembled for as little as 2 dollars per day. Do you drink coffee, or eat chocolate? Any idea what the people who pick the beans make per hour? There are literally tens of thousands of products that you use almost daily which someone made for less than you demand as a "fair wage." Are you going to go all world police and arrest all those folks? Are you currently writing checks to the people who make your goods to make up the differences? Are you going to fling your iPhone out the window and become a Flagellant to make up for your transgressions against mankind? I doubt it.

Fair wage is ultimately decided by the people willing to pay it, and the people willing to work to earn it. Laws cannot change the fact that an employment contract is between an employer and a worker, not between the employer and the law maker. Laws enforced by the tyranny of government power can not change the laws enforced by human nature. Fairness is subjective. Who are you to decide for everyone what is fair? How can you say that a few people have power make fairness decisions that take years to implement makes things more fair than millions of people making millions of decisions from minute to minute.

People want to make their own decisions. They don't need you to make them for them. What people choose to work for is their own business, and their reasons are far more varied than your narrow view of the world permits. You seem to be tied up in a fantasy that does not discriminate between what people want, and what they choose. Everyone wants. We work because we want.

Consider someone who starts up a small business. That person takes on a large amount of risk in the form of capital investment, and often dedicates far more than 40 hours a week working to foster the success of their business. Often times their take home salary is much less. Are they stupid for making such a choice to work for less than minimum wage? Will they be arrested for breaking the law by paying themselves less than a minimum hourly wage? Of course not.

It does no such thing. All it does is restrict the bottom sections of the market. It protects people from getting jobs, and protects people from access to products they couldn't otherwise access.

 

And you can watch retailers install more self-service machines in restaurants and stores.

 

Why would I? This rant is ridiculous. We're not talking about China or third world countries. We're talking about America which we will not allow these types of conditions, it's against our laws and to be honest inhuman and unethical. You advocating this is a bit sickening.

A long rant full of strawman tactics and red herring propaganda. The people want a minimum wage increase as do most small business. The evidence does not support your claims. I am sorry, you seem to live in another era.

 

The selective outrage of liberals is comical. It's okay to take advantage of third world economies so that you can have an economical cell phone, but it's morally wrong to allow someone to choose the terms of their own contracts here in the states. Ask the people of Venezuela how awesome command economies are. They went from the leading economy in south America to almost last place on the misery index. This, despite a major increase in the global price of oil, the product that elevated their economy in the first place.

Is this the best you can do? You've yet to explain why an individual should not be allowed to freely choose to work for less than your subjective minimum. Is it because you think you're smarter than everyone who works for less?

 

I explained it when I identified it. What do you want crayola colors and comic sans? Look up red herring and use that lump between your ears the meaning isn't that hard to grasp. I will not teach and learn for you.

It seems your not with current times, the people want higher minimum wage, business also. Minimum wage is law. This information is trivial and you can't get past it. All you want to do is parrot unsubstantiated propaganda that has little or nothing to do with topic. Minimum wage is already law, no one is arguing for the removal people are arguing on what we should increase it to. Minimum wage in itself say business that can't afford it have no place here.

 

No one?

econweb.ucsd.edu/~mwither/pdfs/Effects of Min Wage on Wages Employment and Earnings.pdf

Okay. I guess it's time for you to deny science.

Oh, and you're right. Businesses that can't afford the minimum wage have no place here. So they take their money and they go somewhere else. Bye bye money. Bye bye jobs. Bye bye economic freedom. Thanks liberals.

 

Oh, and about that claim regarding "minimum wage is law" that you keep repeating:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adkins_v._Children's_Hospital

 

A link to a 71 page PDF, seriously? Why don't you show numbers of who supports the abolishment of minimum wage not a random article in its favor. We both know the numbers are small enough that they don't even scale it.

Deny science? Bye Bye sweatshops? Such a passionate one you are, I am not surprised.