Why do we treat being drunk more legally acceptable than being high?

I hate how we send marijuana possessors away for prison for a long time, while being complete hypocrites and being merry drunk and gay. Why do we look so smugly from our high horse down at the drug dealers, just because they prefer being high over drunk? Why do we abuse painkiller prescriptions while making fun of needle junkies?

I am not asking as a pot head who wants pot to be legal. I am asking this as a Prohibitionist. I am a victim of alcohol related child abuse. I am asking this because a friend died due to an "influenced driver". Why do you allow these drug abusers to roam the streets?

Bring back the prohibitions, give justice to victims of legal drugs. There are millions of us, yet society is too lazy, racist, and considers their own high morally superior than that of another.

 

Epic troll I award you one internets. I mean surely you cannot be serious. Go back and look at the crime wave of alcohol prohibition. Look how the law was entirely flouted. That would not change now.

Which is to say nothing of the fact you'll need to amend the constitution

 

The first reasons marijuana was made illegal was because of it's connection to african americans.

That's the difference.

Alcohol has an allure to it that marijuana doesn't.

I don't understand that allure, but there you go.

 

You must be one of those people who drink. Your argument is proof that drunks are worse than people who get high, you would turn the whole country upside down if they took away your drug.

 

Since then, we had the civil rights, other races should have the right to have their community cleansed of drug users too.

 

Making alcohol illegal will just drive it underground back into speakeasy's just like prohibition and give rise to crime syndicates and booze smuggling, blackmarkets and the like. Just like prohibition did earlier in our history. Beer is more acceptable because in the early years those who drank it were healthier and lived longer than those who drank the tainted water with parasites and germs in it. Actually heroin at one time was sold in stores and available over the counter.

One thing is for sure, one can not legislate people out of their bad habits.

 

Alcohol is part of our culture, much more so than marijuana. Alcohol is also much easier to make. Give me a week (and some wine yeast and something with a high sugar content) and I can make enough alcohol to get drunk. Takes months to grow pot.

 

It takes months to grow pot from seed, but same thing could be said for wheat, grapes and other alcoholic ingredients.

Also, just because it is in someone's culture doesn't excuse the behavior. For instance Nazi culture.

 

I cannot drink actually. Health reasons. No dog in that fight at all. I'm simply pointing out historical facts: people did not follow prohibition, it led to a massive spike in crime, and required constitutional amendments both to start and to end. These are facts. That you don't like them is not my problem.

 

You realize prohibition hasn't STOPPED drug use right? The DOJ publishes stats on use and spending for the drug war. Use sits around 20% goes up and down about 5%. No outliers. Spending? Spending climbs and climbs.

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Yeah but pot is far safer. Don't spray chemicals on it and you can consume it safely. Whereas if you don't seriously watch alcohol when you're making it you can have problems like jake leg.

Which is to say nothing of overdose or simple death by impairment.

 

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The argument that states that if people who drink alcohol were to turn the country upside down if alcohol was taken away, they would have proven that they are no more morally superior than those who get high. That argument remains of the same.

 

I admit that drug usage unfortunately won't be stopped, but I am not asking for that, I am only asking for justice and punishment of those who commit atrocities while using drugs. I am asking for the same effort of protection from drug users as those of illegal drugs.

 

I heard it was Texans looking for an easy way to run Hispanics back across the border. Of course, there was all that talk about African Americans and how they would crawl through windows to rape wives and daughters if they got their hands on the devil weed. It'a how laws are made in this country.

 

Its not an argument, its historic fact of something that HAS actually occured and since people haven't lost their love of booze nor flouting authority will likely occur again.

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Which atrocities? Because we have laws in place for things like child abuse, rape, murder, DUI etc. Prohibition bars simple possession and use that does not harm another. Those are not atrocities by definition.

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Yeah started in El Paso actually.

 

You'd have to ask the good citizens of Kentucky. The state is death on illegal drug use but is also the epicenter of the illegal pain-killer trade. My own opinion is that there is something in the water causing mass schizophrenia.

 

It is a well recognized fact that there is alcohol involvement in the raping of wives and daughters.

 

You bring up some really good points. This is a conundrum. On the one hand, the War On Drugs, which has resulted in an explosion of drug use, started out with the good intentions of helping folks not get hooked on drugs. It failed miserably.

The alcohol problem has been around for a long time and anyone who abuses another human being when drunk KNOWS that he/she cannot drink. Prohibition did not work because too many people wanted alcohol - their drug of choice. Prohibition was as much a failure as the War On Drugs is.

To get to the bottom of this we have to look at the offender - the abuser. That's where the problem lies. Alcohol might release a person's anger (rarely) but the person that abuses another is still responsible for his/her actions. We, as a society, must hold them accountable.

 

Do you mean in the raping of ONE'S OWN wives and daughters?

 

the fact that alcohol drinkers turned to crime to continue drinking alcohol is proof that they should be in prison for the same reasons they argue pot smokers should be in prison.

Marijuana possession is used to capture criminals that slip through the cracks of justice. Why can't alcohol possessions capture alcoholic criminals?

 

Semantics do not dismiss the fact that half of all rapes involve alcohol.

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This is the reason I started the thread.

 

The answer is - in my opinion - punishing those responsible for abuse regardless of the fact they consumed any type of drug (including alcohol). Of course, it's not a perfect answer since there is a cycle of abuse that supersedes reasoning. But, it's a start. People must take responsibility for their actions and those who are harmed by those actions must realize that their only hope of having a good life is to break the cycle. The answer does not lie in prohibiting alcohol or drugs. The answer lies in holding perpetrators accountable.

 

Marijuana possessors aren't being sent away to prison for a long time. Marijuana dealers, growers, and distributors are; not to mention that we hardly ever hear about what other charges may be involved when we do hear about some sap that does jail time for possession...

Alcohol has deep cultural roots for most of the world, marijuana does not...

 

Half of all rapes do not involve drunk blacks crawling through windows to ravage your wife or daughter. Half of all rapes might involve drunk white college students at parties. Those are about the only ones I hear about in my town.

 

There have been plenty of anecdotes in national news where black men raped someone's wife/daughter AND it involved alcohol.

 

I'm not talking about distillation. I'm talking about putting wine yeast into fruit juice, with a one-way valve that allows C02 to get out, but no outside air in. Hard to kill yourself by drinking that.

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I can buy the fruit juice in 5 minutes.

Not excusing it, just saying the fact--alcohol is a part of Western culture, and has been since history began.