NJ Woman Brutally Murdered While Waiting for Pistol Permit to Protect Herself

This poor woman did everything the state on New Jersey would allow her to do when she knew her life was in danger. Their handgun permitting is designed to discourage people from getting a gun to protect themselves in their own home.

When Carol Bowne felt the threat of domestic violence, the petite hairdresser took steps to protect herself.

The Berlin Township woman got a restraining order against a former boyfriend, installed security cameras and an alarm system to her home and began the months-long process of obtaining a handgun, friends said.

But it wasn’t enough.

Bowne, 39, was stabbed to death in the driveway of her Patton Avenue home on Wednesday night.

Carol Browne did everything right. She got the useless piece of paper the law allows her to get aka restraining order; she got security systems and on April 21 asked permission to be allowed to purchase a firearm to protect herself.

In New Jersey, you have to get permission to purchase a firearm and also to possess one. Apparently passing a background check isn’t enough.

Apparently being threatened with domestic violence isn’t enough.

Carol Browne died because the New Jersey gun laws are so outrageously draconian they didn’t allow her to protect herself.

Across the country, 2nd Amendment activists are trying to change pistol license laws. Carol Browne is a perfect example of WHY.

No one can ever know if Browne would have saved her own life had she had a firearm because she was never allowed the chance to own one thanks to handgun laws in New Jersey.

It’s time every woman across the country, whether they want to own a firearm or not DEMAND their naturally given rights be supported.

It’s time every man who has a mother, daughter, sister, grandmother, aunt or girlfriend DEMAND the pistol license or permit laws be changed in their state so that no other women have to suffer like Carol Browne did.

http://granitegrok.com/blog/2015/06...d-shows-why-pistol-license-laws-are-a-failure

 

If she was stabbed in her driveway, then she would have to be able to pull a gun from her person to defend herself...IF she saw the guy coming.

That would entail a CCWP. That would entail the ASSUMPTION that she would pull the weapon in time to shoot the perpetrator.

There is also the question as to how long this abuse was going on before Browne decided to take legal action, etc. In other words, she could have put her case (with documents) into the system for that weapon permit much earlier.

There are a LOT of details lacking in this story.....but as always, NRA sycophants will use any and all tragedies to push the agenda of the gun manufacturers. Sad.

 

It was an argument with the ex.... there was no surprise attack. She knew he was coming over and could have had her firearm with her to persuade him to leave. She knew he was violent... hence the restraining order. No CCW needed on your own property. There are other articles about this story. I'm not posting all of them.
Nothing is a guarantee, but she should not have been deprived of a chance.

 

I'd like the original post, but it would sound like I was liking the outcome. The point is solid. She had a much better chance of being alive today in just about any other state.

 

You're avoiding my point that you inadvertently confirm....this situation was a LONG time brewing, so she knew this creep was dangerous and CHOSE NOT TO MOVE EARLIER to obtain a weapon.

And if the attack is in her driveway...having a gun in the house doesn't do her a hell of a lot of good, now does it. Essentially, nothing you posted changes the validity of my analysis.

 

I'm curious. How long does it take to legally buy a gun in New Jersey with permits and such? If she is 21 and doesn't have a criminal record, she can legally buy a gun in about 20 minutes in TX. My other big question is whether or not she was pursuing buying a gun.

Do they not allow them to carry their gun on their own property? I don't know New Jersey law, but in TX any legal gun owner can open carry anywhere on their own property. I can mow my yard with my pistol holstered and a rifle over my shoulder if I wanted to. Which is closer to the America in the Constitution and which is closer to the average American state gun laws? Texas or New Jersey?

 

The article does not say when they split up but she filed for the gun permit when she got the restraining order.
If she Knew he was coming, she could have had her firearm ready.
Even if when she saw him pull into the driveway she could have prepared herself.

 

OR, she could have left and had the cops do the persuading.

 

Did she need papers from the state before she could get in her car and drive away? Apparently she knew her violent boyfriend was on his way. Her chances of being alive today would be approaching 100%.

 

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know the details, maybe she thought being in the driveway, out in public eye, she could handle it. We just dont know the details. However, in just about any other state, she might still be alive.

 

She was dead in minutes. How long does it take police to respond to a domestic call? Even if you live around the corner from a pig pen, it still takes them anywhere from 5 to 50 minutes to respond.
But I suppose you think you could have done better, eh?
Typical lib, running, hiding, and begging, THEN getting murdered are so much better plans.

 

Like I said, we don't know the details, maybe his car was blocking her exit.
Speculating about the details is futile.
The point is the state kept her from possibly saving her own life.

 

but the better question: Why is she obligated to run and hide, then beg, then die.......Why?

 

She's not obligated to do those things but my guess is that she'd prefer to be alive today than make a statement about her 2nd Amendment rights.

 

She knew the boyfriend was coming over. As soon as she knew that, it was time to clear out. Then it wouldn't matter how long it took the cops.

 

Run away! Run away! What kind of life is that? At least those with CC permits have the right to have a gun handy in most situations.

What about older and handicapped people who can't run? Are they expendable in your book?

 

We don't know how much notice she had. I would prefer she have the option of defending herself and not having to spend her life looking over her shoulder. Why does the law have to favor the criminal? The stalker had every opportunity to get on with a normal life. He chose otherwise and screwed over Carol Browne in the process.

 

So to be clear you're blaming her for what happened instead of her ex who killed her?

 

What kind of life is being dead? Discretion is always the better part of valor.

 

How do you know she wasn't jumping into her car to do exactly that? She was jumped in her driveway, according to the OP, and who knows what the crime scene was like? When in doubt, more liberty is better than less liberty.

 

No we don't. In fact, we don't know that if she had a gun she would have won the possible gunfight.

 

As a gun control advocate, the politically correct way for her to defend herself was to fight hand to hand with a knife. She didn't need a gun. She was not hunting. The 2nd Amndment says you can only use guns for hunting. It's right there after militias are mentioned. If she owned a gun, she would try to own a nuclear weapon next. See, my logic is flawless. Trust me I know what I'm taking about. I never shot a gun, but I studied art and music in NYC.

 

A few years ago, I saw a car fire literally across the street from a fire department. It took them 6 minutes and 4 fire extinguishers to get there. Cops are not any better.

A few weeks ago, I saw a home invasion in rpogress. I saw the guy trying exterior doors, walking to windows, and testing them. Police response time, including a K9 unit, was excelent at 5 minutes. The guy got away.

If an excellent response time is 5 minutes, what can a violent attacker do in that time?

 

so, if she had lived because of her 2nd A,..........hmmmmmmmmm that must be a crime. The statement would have stood on its own, I guess, if she'd had the Right to own unrestricted.
The other guy is right, you really feel sorry for the guy. It was her damned fault for causing this situation.
run away run away run away.................... so he can stab her in the back......

 

Ah. There is the flaw in your argument. We know certain facts.

She applied for a restraining order - check
She applied for a permit for a CCW - check
She had to wait to buy a gun - check
She didn't have a gun BECAUSE OF DRACONIAN LAWS- check
She died because she didn't have one of the best physical equilizers on the planet at this time - check

You are right, we don't know what would have happened if she had a gun, but I have a guess as to what could have happened.

http://m.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/
http://cnsnews.com/blog/stephen-gutowski/mother-uses-gun-protect-her-child-armed-intruders
http://www.wxyz.com/news/mom-opens-fire-on-home-invaders-in-detroit-to-defend-children
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/03/armed-woman-defends-home-from-psycho-wielding-a-machete-shotgun/
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...rom-armed-intruder-wdsu-new-orleans-la-030513
http://abcnews.go.com/US/georgia-mom-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/story?id=18164812