Anyone Heard For Sure what Weapon the SC Shooter Used?

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  1. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd New Member

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    Geraldo Rivera referred to "automatic weapon", but I'm sure he is talking out of his......again. I heard some report say "45". Another reported he re-loaded several times.

    Separate subject, they are claiming his uncle bought him the gun for his birthday. If the shooter himself did not fill out the paperwork that "uncle" is in deep doo-doo.

    Also they are reporting now that this church was in a "gun free" zone.......

    Yup looks like laws are doing exactly what they do to stop maniacs........NOTHING.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/18/gun-free-zones-easy-target-for-killers.html

    This guy talks about all the time lawful carry citizens have STOPPED mass murderers, that for some treason never get much media coverage.....wonder why?
     
  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A 1911 .45 caliber from what I have heard. His mother had taken it away from him but he stole it back.

    You can give a gun to a relative as a present. No law against that.

    Churches in SC are all gun free zones, by law.
     
  3. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd New Member

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    Regarding the relative thing, I believe you cannot do that IF you know ahead of time when you buy the gun from a FFL that you are going to give it away. That is a felony because you check a box explicitly say that is NOT what you are doing on the NCIS app. Now, if you buy a gun fully intending to use it yourself, and sometime later give or sell it that is ok. I know it sounds grey, but that is how I understand it. Correct me if Im wrong.

    Also I am talking federal law only....no idea of SC law.

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    Has anyone said if it was a hi-cap magazine? The reason I ask is that liberals keep saying hi-cap mags are responsible for mass murders. Then they pass their laws limiting them.......
     
  4. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    The only thing I've read is that Roof's father bought him a .45 semi-auto for his birthday. One news article I read this morning said that was the gun they found when they arrested him. I read one report that he reloaded 5 times, which makes me think a .45 1911 style pistol was involved.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    You cannot give a gun to a relative as a present if they are not otherwise eligible to buy a gun. From what I gather, the boy was a drug user (known by his parents), which made him ineligible to own a gun. He was also out on bond from a felony drug charge (also made him ineligible to own a gun).
     
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    There is no doubt that the father was negligent by gifting this firearm to his son that was prohibited from owning a gun.
    Seriously, you give a gun to a 21 year old kid on Subaxone for opiate withdrawls, with a history of drug problems, and legal issues?
    The father should be held accountable.
     
  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Giving a gun as a gift is not illegal, especially to a relative. If it can be proved he went and bought it for him because Roof could not get one himself legally, that might be a different story.

    7 or 8 round magazine, one of the ladies at the church said he changed magazines multiple times.
     
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    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    It can be proven that the father knew this kid was prohibited from possessing a firearm.
     
  9. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A friend said his uncle gave it to him. Do you know if he even has a father around? I heard about the mother that the friend said took the gun away from him.
     
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    CNN is reporting now that he bought the gun from a gun store with birthday money. He must not have been prohibited from owning a gun. It looks like he acquired it through legal means.

    "One key part of this horrific scheme -- the weapon -- came in April, when Roof bought a .45-caliber handgun at a Charleston gun store, the two law enforcement officials told Perez and Bruer from CNN, the first network to report this development. His grandfather says that Roof was given "birthday money" and that the family didn't know what Roof did with it."
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just saw this: Roof's uncle told Reuters that he had received a .45-caliber handgun from his father for his birthday in April, but officials have not said how he got the firearm used in the shooting or its make.
     
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    What dos it matter what he used? Wanna rush out and buy one before they sell out?
     
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    Makes the whole high cap mags or assault weapons horse pucky more obvious
     
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    There are pics of him with a Glock 21. Standard capacity is 13 rounds, but he may have had 10 rounders.
     
  16. Elmer Fudd

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    Well I reckon I sure do Colonel....see'in as how they been a proven e-fectiv in a true real-life sit - e - ashun.........

    (I answer stupidity in kind)
     
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    They say he re-loaded several times.... obviously he was in that church for several minutes, then left casually out the front door (I think). I guess having never been in such a situation it is easy for me to say , but,...there were likely a hundred (hundreds??) of people in there? I can't see why a bunch didn't just rush him....even if 30 of them threw bibles that would have knocked him down.......

    Again....easy for me to say......not being there
     
  18. Right is the way

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    The box that he check was are you the actual purchaser of the firearm. He was. He was not given money from someone else to buy the pistol as far as we know. He would not be breaking any laws there. But with hind sight it was a very bad choice.
     
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    If you are buying a gun as a gift you are legally allowed to answer the first part of Question 11 on the 4473 as the actual buyer
    http://www.guns.com/2013/12/12/gifting-guns-need-know/
     
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    what was the purpose of that silly comment?
     
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    Indeed. What if it was a Glock 21? Anyone who knows anything about guns is aware of at least 3 other Glocks that are basically the same. If not a Glock, then how about the patent infringing S&W equivalent? Then there are the Springfields and CZ's. All in .45 ACP. But, since we know a little, we're aware that caliber doesn't mean much. Performance is very similar between 9mm, .40 S&W; .357 Sig; .45 ACP; and 10mm Auto.
    And this brings us back to the OP. Does it matter which gun was used, when there are about 1,000 different models that could do the deed?

     
  22. dutchman

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    First of all, that only happens,very rarely, according to statistics. Which is easy to figure out.
     

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