George Takei's Racist Rant: Clarence Thomas Is a 'Clown in Black Face'

So what? I'm not allowed an opinion now? lol

But I'm not apparently. Nice double standard you got there.

My opinion is that it would be a good idea for him to apologize since it's going to pіss people off that he doesn't hate or even dislike.

Is it ok with you if I have that opinion? heh heh

 

Beam me up Scotty! I've had enough!

 

Is the idea that because Thomas is black, he is supposed to think a certain way? That there is something about the color of his skin that means he should be believe in certain things and against others?

Doesn't that sound kinda racist?

 

there still was no rant.

 

This speaks for itself!

Do you think blacks support gay marriage more than whites do?

You are not "owed" anything simply because you are gay!

 

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Yes

 

Would not care either way. It's not something I'd even consider.

Just as with whites, I would assume liberals would more likely support it and conservatives more likely oppose it. Blacks are statistically more likely to be liberal, but lots of black people oppose gay marriage.

I disagree. I think we were owed marriage rights and privileges. I don't think it's something we should have had to beg for. I think it's something we were always entitled to.

 

See? You're revealing your true colors. (Pun intended).

The alternative was not "worse", the alternative is the same.

Duh?

See?

"You're not in control anymore".

That's vindictiveness, friend. You're going to lose your hard-fought gains if you keep that up.

Seriously man - racism is not something you can "legislate away". It begins anew with each new human birth. It is part of the human condition, and there is nothing any human can do to change that.

The best thing you can hope for, is that people don't have enough time to generalize about blaming entire races for their personal problems. What difference does it make if blacks aren't being lynched, if they can't make a living and they have to depend on the nanny state for their next meal? I'll betcha half of 'em would tell you they'd rather be dead. (Which probably explains a lot of the "I don't care anymore" stuff going on in the black community).

It's not about the white man being in charge. It's about you getting your rights. If it becomes more than that, then you're going to experience a backlash. You know this, don't you? It's the truth. It's human nature. It's the way we're wired as human beings. No liberal can change that, by force of law or any other way.

Your best bet is to convince people at a personal level, that there's nothing to worry about. The more people that are convinced of that, the fewer problems you'll have and the more you'll succeed in socially marginalizing the undesirable behavior. But you're not going to do that by kicking a dog when it's down, that's never going to work.

 

Then why would be be happier with more black racists than white since you think that is the only alternative?

Do you think you would get a pass from a black racist simply because you're gay?

You are not owed anything anymore than anyone else is!

You sound like a 20yr. old black kid ranting about reparations.

oops...I guess that was racist.

 

They've been on display for over 10 years on this forum. None of my opinions are new. You just havnt paid attention before.

I disagree. I am more likely to be able to reason with a black racist, since they know what it's like to be oppressed.

Vindictiveness from someone named "sadistic savior"? Omg! Not that!

Well I, for one, am shocked.

I am so completely confident that I won't lose it, that I am willing to swagger around message forums arrogantly like this. The gains did not happen because of my humility, heh heh.

We already have. It's been done. Racists from the 50s and 60s would be horrified to see modern America right now. And people like you are definitely not going to like the America of 20 or 30 years from now.

If it were me, I'd still prefer not being lynched.

 

Those are the options I was given in that post.

It'd be more likely, yeah.

Um...that would include marriage rights and privileges. Since other people have had those for a while now. So you're agreeing with me here. Just sayin.

 

No they weren't...those were the options you chose.

Why would you think that? Percentage wise less blacks approve of gay marriage than whites...so why would you as a non-black gay feel safer around a black racist?

You've had the same rights and privileges I have...I couldn't marry the same sex either.

 

Well, I apologize then. I haven't been on this forum for 10 years.

See? More liberal arrogance and condescension. You assume that anyone who isn't black has never been oppressed? What a narrow minded, bigoted viewpoint.

I spent three years living in.... well never mind. I know what it's like to be oppressed. I have the scars to prove it.

Oppression can not be solved by the nanny state. It can, however, sometimes be addressed with weapons (at least you have a better chance that way).

Ain't no big deal. We're just having a nice friendly conversation. I just met you, it's too early to be judging anyone.

'Kay, point taken. I can tell you this much: not being gay myself, I can't claim that I "know what it's like". However I know "enough" through my various associations and histories, that I have "some" clue about how difficult life can be as a gay man. (I don't know any gay women, only gay men - and that's not a fault or an omission, it's just because of the nature of my work and the social milieu that comes with it).

And, I wasn't always pro-gay-rights. At one point I considered gayness to be quite disgusting. That was before a gay man saved my life, and it was also before my best buddy in college told me he was gay. (It was "after the fact", I mean, we slept with the same chicks and stuff). And that was also before I met a man who was in a stable committed gay relationship for much longer than I've known most people to be married, and this man I would have trusted (and still would trust) with my life.

I had to overcome my ignorance, and my fear, and only then could I get to the point of realizing that gays are just like everyone else. There's "no difference", at least none that's meaningful. We all bleed red, and we all cry tears, and we all scream when we're being hurt. And we all have inalienable rights, endowed by our Creator (or if you don't believe in Creators, substitute "by virtue of our human biology").

"People like me" are no longer in a position where we're going to sit back and let the idiot activists dictate what we can like and not like. "People like me" are fed up with the BS. I came to terms with gayness because of my experience, not because of anyone else's words. And I daresay the same will be true for every other human being who walks this earth.

I was born in 1959. I remember what racism was like in the 60's. I lived through the Watts riots. Mom told me not to go across the street to buy my 7-cent milk, because there were "bad people" out there. So for a while I grew up thinking that "black people" were "bad people" - but that was before I discovered that many of 'em are bad-azz musicians and a lot of white folks can't even hold a beat.

But all this - it's just "me". My son is going to have to learn all these same lessons, and none of my experience is going to mean a darn thing to him. He needs his own experiences in life, to convince him that blacks and gays and all the other "types of humans" out there, are the same as he is. (He's a half breed by the way, he's of "mixed race", so at some point "he" might find out what it's like to be oppressed too).

 

It doesn't sound racist...based on what is in the article...

It sounds like he's saying Clarence Thomas should be more sympathetic to Clarence Thomas because he is part of a race that was also historically abused. I suppose he's trying to shame him. I don't think George is racist, but I don't think his arguments have merit since racial origin shouldn't be a factor in his official council.

 

So yeah, nothing about that is racist. The person who was saying it was a commentary on how he'd forsaken the striving towards equality (the struggle) of black people is right.

 

I can't help it. I'm so good at it.

Where in my quote did you get that I assume that? It was not even implied.

I've been called worse.

You do know this is an anonymous forum, right? I have no way of verifying any claims you might have of being victimized. Therefore I can't accept them as credentials to support your opinions. Sorry.

I am a gay neocon. I'd feel naked if I wasn't being judged.

That has nothing to do with whether or not people deserve rights. If I thought old or fat people were disgusting that doesn't mean I'd want to deny them rights.

So the moral of your story seems to be, thank god for us that a homo saved your life. Otherwise you'd want to deny homos rights because "omg gross".

So black people acquired value to you because they made good music. Good thing they had skills amirite?

That seems to be a running theme in your stories. People only appear to be deserving of rights or privileges after they have demonstrated some value or performed some service.

Maybe one guy from every minority can save his life once and then he'll be completely tolerant. I have my fingers crossed.

 

All races have been historically abused. But yes, he is a racist because he thinks that the color of a person's skin should dictate their values.

As a firm believer in staying away from western women, I certainly advocate to men that if they see an american woman walking down the street, cross to the other side because we men have been historically abused by women due to our gender, but I would never tell a guy that he's wrong to disagree with me simply because he's a guy. There's nothing in the male genitalia that means we need to agree with each other. Being able to amicably agree to disagree is a requirement for a civil society. And that civil society is one which mr. sulu does not value.

 

You should do better research before proclaiming a favorite. Takei has always been on a racist or homo rant of some sort. It's how he is. It's what he is. It's what he always has been and always will be.

I know practically nothing about his work, but I knew that.

 

as shown by the Prop 8 votes in California; also latino voters supported Prop 8 by a big majority as well. According to the faux 'progressive' narratives and 'logic', we can conclude that supporting homosexual rights is definitely racist as hell.

 

Well...it's hard to say what he really meant by what he said (and it will be harder to believe his explanation after the fact since he can simply try to backpedal)... but it doesn't sound like racism. I think he has a particular view of how justice should work. Technically, all views on justice are ideals, and his seems to be that the legacy of oppression should be a source of mutual understanding between the oppressed. That a certain empathy and accomodation should be given to another group so oppressed when judged by one similarly oppressed or who comes from a similar background. I don't agree, necessarily. I guess it's a case-by-cse thing and on this, I don't think it's applicable.

 

a legacy of oppression based upon the color of a man's skin.

Stop worrying about that stuff, okay? It's stupid. And wasn't there a star trek episode that showed just how stupid that is when they had the black and white skin painted dudes?

Just stop worrying about skin color. I know it's hard for people like Mr. Sulu that are so racist that they can't help but think in terms of skin color, but it is people like him that need to be backhanded by civilized society and told to just stop fretting over the color a person's skin is.

 

I don't think this would be realistic...

I think it can be argued that mere distinction based on any perceived difference will cause a certain amount of bias or prejudice. It seems to be just the way were are wired. This can be seen in everything from skin color to political preference were people will react instinctively to actions or ideas of a different group.

Skin color, ideally, doesn't matter. Practically, it's one of the more immediate things we notice, just like how physical beauty ideally doesn't matter, but...

 

Yes skin color ideally doesn't matter, but we still have people like Takei that just can't rise above it. So I call them out and call them what they are, which is racist.

As for physical beauty, Takei would be angry that an ugly chick is friends with a pretty chick. She's a fat ugly girl, so stop trying to be friends with pretty girls!!!!

 

Actually I remember Thomas' confirmation hearings and HE was the one to pull the race card in reference to Anita Hill's testimony. So what goes around, comes around.