Israeli settlers torch Palestinian homes, burn baby to death!!!

One might be given to wondering if there's some kind of long term plan which Israel adheres to to stop the Palestinians ever being free..

http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/amira-blunt-concentration.html

 

Its not an "anti-Semite generalization"......I said and gave examples that their leadership is not seeking any help from Israel, if they can release prisoners from Israel they will always present it as forcing us to do so and not part of understanding or some gesture (thou its been a while since last gesture).

I also think that by walking between the drops, not advancing the 2 state solution and not the complete annexation the Israeli right wing gov is basically allowing things to deter and the army will solve matters as it sees fit.

Yes, I agree more settlers and more Israelis become more radicals just as Hamas is.

 

I live very well without attacking any Arab thank you, I also don't care how Hungarian Jews feel about my life here. so your comment is an hysterical hyperbole.

 

1988 declaration was pivotal. That's fact. The rest is rhetoric.

 

You mean the Right Wing plan?

You'll find Aztec gold before the Right Wingers plan......

 

The 1988 declaration simply means that any nation which doesn't accept the nation of Palestine since would rather honor the hatred and murder of innocent Semites than to fight for peace and oppose racism. I mean, it's heavily anti-Semite to accept Israel while rejecting Palestine, even though both declared their independence next to each other.

 

Most of Israel is right-wing and heavily racist, as demonstrated by the current Israeli government which continues to honor apartheid.

 

Most of Israel is right wing but I think you mistake the principle of an ethnic state with racism, I remind you that's the entire idea of self determination.

Racism sticks to the right because it's goals contradict the Palestinians goals thus keeping the feud you can still separate the right wingers that want 2 separate states while keeping the settlement's area in the WB and those that don't want a Palestinian state at all and even those can be divided to ethnic cleaners and favoring of annexation and citizenship to Palestinians.

 

The principle of an ethnic state is often the cause of racism. The case of Israel has less to do with self determination and more to do with territorial greed combined with religious-motivated racism. The right extremes on both sides have so much in common, that they could marry each other and merge into one.

 

Is it the same for who accepts Palestine rejecting Israel?

 

The terrorists you talk about slide throu a huge crack just like ISIS did, in the vacuum of any agreement, the national pride of ancestor homeland, the horrors of terror and lots of religious fervor,

Just read this OP in Ynet, there is also an interesting article on Israel following steps but its not translated, basically they will accept some of Shabak recommendations against Jewish terror, thou not enough IMO, but its a start, my hope is those fanatics will fight in return and just enough to REALLY fight them in return.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4686482,00.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4686218,00.html

 

Just about everyone accepts Palestine next to Israel. It is only Israel, America and Italy which honor racism and oppose Palestine.

 

With the Muslim states who honor your racism not recognizing Israel. Yours is a circular argument and you contradict yourself.

 

Zionism is a political movement who spoiled Judaism and mad a lot of Jews a round the world be against them...a movement who look at Judaism as a superior race!an Apartheid ideology who don't care a bout Jews religion and used them for their own benefit!

and IF U ARE ZIONIST , so listen:
who said U had this right to make others out of their houses and kill them?who said U had this right to bring a bout lots of massacres?who said the only people who their life are worth is U?who said U had this right to occupy Palestine and gather someone from other parts of the world to PRODUCE[!!!] a fake nation and a fake country?who said U had this right to build your dream on Palestinian blood?!

P.S

nice point U mentioned!!!that land is not yours!and be sure U need to get back to your own countries.very soon!

 

No. that's Arab propaganda, Zionism is a Jewish national movement that already achieved its main goal, there are many fanatics that call their actions Zionism or New Zionism but they are confronted within Israel, its your choice to accept their actions as Zionism, doesn't mean that's really Zionism.

I am a Zionist born Israeli and I don't believe any of the crap you wrote above but I've been here enough to know ignorance when I read one.

Yea, only that was 70-100 years ago, a bit too late to reach an agreement with the Jewish settlements leaders about Jewish immigration, vast majority of Israelis are natives already.

 

What a sad state of affairs!

The Palestinians are totally to blame for this, if they just died and went away then their would be no need for those righteous Zionists to "defend" the state of Israel against these terrorists.


Sorry I was just joking ...


But maybe those Muslims should leave & come o Europe & claim poloitical status before the Jews kill them all.

 

so I will make it more clear!let me help U know more about history of your country!!of course very very very briefly!
1940s :
November 25, 1940 - The Patria disaster in which 260 people are killed and 172 injured
November 6, 1944 - Lord Moyne, British government minister murdered by Lehi.
1946, Israel begins sterilization of Ethiopian Jews because they had dark skin.
July 22, 1946 - King David Hotel bombing, The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on Monday July 22, 1946 by the militant Zionist underground organization, the Irgun, on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.

April 18, 1947 - the blowing up of the Army Red Cross Building .
April 22, 1947 - the blowing up of the Cairo_Haifa train, killing five British and three Arabs .
May 21, 1947 - attack on a café, killing one Arab, wounding seven others .
June 6, 1947 - Twenty "explosive letters" sent at various times to British high officials by the Stern Gang. When opened these letters would maim or kill the receiver .
July 12, 1947 - Kidnap and murder of two British sergeants, Paice, aged 20, and Martin, aged 21 by the Stern Gang .
September 17, 1948 - Murder of Count Bernadotte by Jewish terrorsits .
May 23, 1948 - Poisoning the wells of Arce, Palestine
1948- in the war which more than 1 million and 2 thousands Palestinian (1,200,000) got vagrant and homeless. And 531 cities and villages totally ruined. and your proud country established!
The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when around 120 fighters from the Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi attacked Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, a Palestinian Arab village of roughly 600 people.107 villagers were killed during and after the battle for the village, including women and children—some were shot, while others died when hand grenades were thrown into their homes
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1980s:
December 25, 1980 - Israel explodes four bodies of Palestinians in South Libanon, a cruel act of pointless violence.
September 16-18, 1982 - Sabra and Shatila massacre ,The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the killing of between 762 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites
1990s:
April 11 - April 27, 1996 - Qana massacre , The 1996 shelling of Qana. took place on April 18, 1996 near Qana, a village in Southern Lebanon, when the Israeli Defence Force fired artillery shells at a United Nations compound.Of 800 Lebanese civilians who had taken refuge in the compound, 106 were killed and around 116 injured. Four Fijian United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon soldiers were also seriously injured
for more:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zionist_crimes
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

and some of your country modern history!

more than 2,100 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip were killed and 11,000 injured -- mostly women and children -- during Israel's 51-day Operation Protective Edge, /An estimated 460,000 people have been displaced and are now living in overcrowded conditions in schools, with relatives or in makeshift shelters/ http://reliefweb.int/report/occupie...-warns-rapidly-unfolding-health-disaster-gaza
Israel Using Live Ammunition for Palestinian Crowd Control / http://www.ipsnews.net/2015/03/israel-using-live-ammunition-for-palestinian-crowd-control/

Palestinian prisoners face slow death from freezing temperatures in Israeli jails(10 January 2015) / https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...h-from-freezing-temperatures-in-israeli-jails
​Torture of Palestinian detainees by Israel soared in 2014 – report( March 08, 2015 ) / http://rt.com/news/238769-palestine-detainees-torture-israel/

Fifth child dies from exposure to freezing temperatures in war-torn Gaza (January 21, 2015) http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/expos...//rt.com/news/198340-idf-detain-disabled-boy/

Shot in the heart’: Israeli army kills 13yo Palestinian boy( October 16, 2014) / http://rt.com/news/196640-israel-idf-kills-palestinian-boy/

Israel's plan to build 600 new homes in E. Jerusalem earns UN’s anger ( October 13, 2014) / http://rt.com/news/195540-israel-settlement-building-jerusalem-ban/

Most of the weapons that were used to kill hundreds of civilians in Gaza contained depleted uranium. They also used new weapons that even international experts were unable to figure out their types / http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/09/04/377641/israel-used-banned-weapons-on-gaza/
Military Expert: Israel is using three internationally banned weapons in Gaza https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...sing-3-internationally-banned-weapons-in-gaza

2012 - Israel builds settlements on mountains above Palestinian homes on the lower land. Israel lets its sewage run down the mountain into the Palestianian neighborhoods instead of processing it

July 2nd, 2014 - The 16 year old Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir was found murdered and burned in East Jerusalem. This is followed by an explosion of Twitter messages (http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/6/...f_palestinian_boy_Twitter_Brh_ihlCUAAZXyw.jpg) by Jews who approve of this murder. http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zionist_crimes

Jewish human organ harvesting was revealed by Swedish freelance journalist Donald Bostrom when he began to investigate United Nations employees concerns that Zionist Jewish soldiers snatch Palestinian children in the middle of the night, murder them, and sell their organs http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_human_organ_harvesting

"Israeli gunboats opened fire toward a group of Palestinian boats in the North of the Gaza Strip," Nizar Ayash, the head of Gaza's Palestinian Fishermen's Union, said.
No casualties were reported, but the attack damaged two fishing boats, he added.
"The Israeli forces shot at Palestinian fishing boats under the pretext that they go beyond fishing space specified for them," Ayash said.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940206000748

 

sorry but I think your last sentence was more joke-like!
Israeli regime officially declared it won't care about UN 1967 resolution.most of Israeli settlements are illegal according to international laws. a regime how owns thousands of nuke bombs and any of IAEA visitors had this chance to visit their sites even one time.the used lots of banned weapons in Gaza.
they violate lots of international laws but how cares!

 

Yes you are correct in your assumption.

 

read it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism

nope!that is not late!stolen property can't be an inheritance!

 

Nope.

Half of them were Hamas terrorists.
Some Palestinians were killed by Hamas own rockets
Some Palestinians were killed through standing on rooftops of buildings about to be bombed, on Hamas orders.
Some Palestinians were killed for being around rocket launch sites about to be retaliated upon.
Some of them were Palestinians killed by Hamas, who then counted them as being killed by Israelis.

Gimmi a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing break

 

There are millions of Jews, and billions of Muslims.

Why are Muslims so impotent?

 

True, I do not understand how anyone that can ignore that fact. The rule of law is mandatory. Even as a Zionist Christian I would be far more accepting of Palestine struggle if she adopted a similar system of denouncing terrorism and terrorist states that possesses no method to bring terrorists and other murders to justice. I mean a true system of law instead of a wink and a nod. Even if corrupted its a start. At least they would have something to fix which could lead to peaceful change, compared to no rule of law and no way to bring about change except killing.
reva

 

No doubt this is some of the <Neturei Karta> anti Zionist contingent... stating that Israel has no right to <reconstitute itself> until the arrival of the Messiah...

This is a bunch of lunatics dressed in regalia from the 11 th century living in the 21 century and not adapting.

Suject: An Open Letter to a Leader in Neturei Karta

~by Prof. Steven Plaut

As you know, I recently published an article entitled "I am Ashamed to be
an Israeli". The article seems to have had a very wide exposure and I
have received many responses.

Among those I received were a series of email letters from someone
associated with the wacko Neturei Karta movement, and - if I am not
mistaken he is actually the guy who runs their anti-Israel web sites. He
and I have carried on a correspondence of sorts all week. Below I have
collected the essence of the notes I sent him and compiled them into this
"Open Letter to a Leader of Neturei Karta".

But first, some background information. Neturei Karta is a small
shttp://www.politicalforum.com/146463-weeks-israeli-terrorism-post1060981807.html#post1060981807ect of ultra-Orthodox "Jewish" religious extremists, best known for marching arm in arm with Arafat and Ahmedinejad,

endorsing every anti-Israel terrorist and anti-Semite on the planet. It wants Israel destroyed and does not care if a Second Holocaust must take place in order to achieve this lofty goal, because Israel must not be set up at all before the Messiah comes (in their opinion) and - more generally - because many Israelis are
secularists and some eat pork. No one knows how many people the sect has;
they claim about 50,000 but I suspect the correct number is one zero less.

The Neturei Karta were originally set up as a splinter breakaway
movement in 1938, mainly by fanatical ultra-Orthodox Hungarian Jews,
splitting from the more mainstream Agudat Israel party and movement.
Agudat Israel has made its peace with Israel's existence and has
participated in the country's affairs, run for and been elected to the
parliament, and even held cabinet posts. Neturei Karta is Aramaic and
means "Guardians of the Gate". It is motivated by intense hatred not only
for secularist Jews but for all Orthodox and observant Jews who happen not
to share its ideas. It openly calls for Israel to be destroyed and it
openly supports the worst genocidal anti-Semites on the planet from
Arafat to Asad - in order to "punish" those evil Jews who refuse to accept
its religious notions.

Naturally, Neturei Karta has been adopted by all the Bash-Israel
organizations in the world and is celebrated by them as the only "true"
representatives of Judaism. Curiously, the people who hail Neturei Karta
are themselves often-leftist secularists who would never consider backing
religious lunatics from other faiths. The Islamofascists of course also
love them. The Neturei Karta "Rabbis" are cult figures roughly like Jim
Jones from the Jonestown story. I guess Jewish Elmer Gantries might also
be an accurate description.

The most famous image of Neturei Karta may be
http://www.gravett.org/Israellycool/archives/010995.html

Here is my message to the member of the Neturei Karta with whom I
conducted the "dialogue" this week:
"Open Letter to a Leader of Neturei Karta".

Dear Sir:

In the Amida prayer, which Jews recite three times every day,
there is a section in which the "minim" are denounced. The "minim" refer
to small treasonous groups of Jews who collaborated with the Roman enemies
of the Jewish people, and the prayer explicitly mentions that these minim
were tattlers, snitches, people who served the anti-Semites of their day
as agents, and worked against Jewish existence and survival. Since then
of course the segment in the daily prayer is understood to be a curse in
general upon anti-Semites, and especially Jewish anti-Semites working
against their own people. Jewish anti-Semitism was not born with the
modern Israeli Oslo Left.

I mention all this because I can think of no more apt illustration of
a cult of Minim than the Neturei Karta. Your cult is nothing more than a
pseudo-Jewish pagan group working against Judaism and for the
enemies of the Jews.

You claim that you are simply opposed to Israel because it is full of
pork eaters and people who trample upon Jewish observance. Well, let me
tell you something. The most secularist pork eater on any kibbutz in
Israel is halakhically (by Rabbinic law) far more Jewish and far more pure
than all the "Rabbis" in the Neturei Karta cult. And why do I say this? Because, as
you know, there is a clear halakhic rule that says that living in the Land
of Israel is itself "shakul" or equivalent to observing all 613 religious
commandments or mitzvoth! All of them! Even the ones reserved for
priests and even the ones that may only be performed in the Temple and so
may not be performed today.

There is not a single "Rabbi" in Neturei Karta who performs these 613
mitzvoth. Yet the worst pork eater in Israel is already deemed equivalent
to one who observes them all, even before he gets started. If he was
circumcised at 8 days, that already puts him even one more
mitzvah/commandment ahead of you and your "Rabbis". No, I am not
suggesting that living in Eretz Ysrael, the Land of Israel, should be
regarded as a legitimate blanket exemption from all other religious
precepts. I am simply saying that even someone who observes nothing at
all in Judaism but lives in Israel is more Jewish and more religiously
pure than the "Rabbis" of your minim cult.

When you march in anti-Israel demonstrations alongside anti-Semites
(the Durban conference comes to mind), when you endorse Arafat together with Ahmedinejad and their storm troopers and serve as their public relations agents, when you support terrorists and excuse mass murders of Jews, you are acting as followers of
the Evil Bil'am, not as sons of Jacob.

You say you want Israel destroyed because it was not set up properly,
because the Messiah has not yet come? Do you really think that Israel can
be destroyed without a Second Holocaust? Don't you realize this is the unavoidable consequence of what you are proposing, and what the people you are supporting seek?

Let me tell you something. A ketuba marriage contract signed on the
Sabbath is still a valid one and must be respected, even though signing it
on the Sabbath is a prohibited violation of the day. A Cohen or priest
who marries a divorcee has sinned because such a marriage is prohibited by
the Torah, but the marriage must be acknowledged and even accepted and
honored. It stands. Whether or not Israel was created properly or at the
correct time, the fact that it exists changes how Jews must behave and
requires a certain amount of responsibility and "arevut ze l'ze" or mutual
support and defense, even from the most smug, self-righteous pretenders at
religiosity.

Whatever you think about the erection of Israel, you have no right to
endorse those seeking to destroy it and its population through violence,
people seeking genocide of Jews. And if you DO endorse such people and
march with them, you are nothing more than a disciple of the Evil Bil'am.
You are a collaborator with Haman. You are worse than Dotan and Aviram.

Had you lived in Shushan in Persia in the days of Queen Esther and her
Uncle Mordecai, you would have been marching arm in arm with Haman. After
all, those Persian Jews also included many who no doubt violated the
Sabbath and other religious principles. The Neturei Karta would have
supported Haman as a way to "punish" them. How many Rabbis of Rabbi
Akiva's generation served as PR agents for the Romans, to justify their
murdering Jews? How many said the murders were justified because - after
all - so many Jews were not properly observing mitzvoth? In Elijah's
generation all except a few thousand Jews were acting as pagans. Strange,
but I do not recall Elijah justifying anti-Semites murdering them.
Indeed, Elijah endorsed the very worst pagan of all, King Ahab, when the
King went on the war path to kill anti-Semites. Of course, if Neturei
Karta Minim had been around in those days, they would all be in Syria
helping the evil Ben-Haddad murder the Jews.

The Neturei Karta "Rabbis" are not recognized as Torah Authorities
by any Torah Authority outside the cult. No Sephardic Rabbis, no
Ashkenazim, no Mitnagdim, no Chassidim. No one recognizes Neturei Karta
as a legitimate movement of Judaism. In essence, these Rabbis - like
me - see Neturei Karta as a pathetic minim cult. Can you name a single Rabbi
outside Neturei Karta who endorses the view of your own "Rabbis"? Of
course you cannot.

So you think collaborating with the worst anti-Semites on the planet
who openly endorse genocide of Jews is better than collaborating with
misguided radical secularists who need to be pulled back to the traditions
of Israel? You believe that when a Jew sins he ceases to be a Jew. I
wonder which books you are reading as replacements for the Torah. This
is the level of the "logical reasoning" they are teaching these days in
Neturei Karta ashrams? (I hesitate to call them yeshivas).

You insist the Zionists are the Devil, not the Palestinians. And of
course, if the Palestinians are not the Devil, why should anyone think the
Germans were? Since you defend the Palestinian right to murder my family,
and as it happens we do not eat pork, then what is wrong with the Germans
murdering lots of Jews? Why don't you guys march around in your pro-PLO
parades with swastikas and put one on your web site? And if someone
happens NOT to keep the religious precepts of Judaism, what gives you the
right to act as Public Relations man for the people who seeking to murder
such sinners?

The Neturei Karta cultists are inverted Bil'amim. The Evil Bil'am was
ordered to curse Israel, yet ended up blessing the Tents of Jacob. You
are the reverse. You are ordered by the Torah to bless Israel but you
curse the Jewish people. You have no concept of Jewish solidarity because
you are not Jews; you are a pseudo-Jewish minim cult.

I really think you need to grow up or see a good shrink. So should
your "Rabbis".

******
For more information, see:
http://www.nkusa.org/ (Note the translator link into Arabic)

http://www.netureikartauk.org/

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/nk.html

 

In the world we have wars. Most of the time to the victor goes the spoils. Except when the Jewish people are involved. They are different and should not expect to keep their borders won in war. I cant think of any nation asked to give back (that sounds funny even now) ....*cof*...to 'give back' land lost in a bitter war! At least not as much land by proportion and historical and religious significance as the antisemitic world is demanding Israel to give up. By the signs it looks like Israel and the Jewish people will suffer another loss (theft) of her property and her soul. The only question will be the magnitude of loss, and the types of losses she will suffer.

Hey I have an idea! Why don't the antisemitic people petition their presidents to give their money (funded by another tax) to their arab brothers? If they really care about the plight of the fabricated Palastanian peoples homeland problem, after they use all the tax money maybe they could convince their office of land management to donate a homeland to the 'Palestinians'?
reva