To Gop and Dems...do you really think Hillary won't win in 2016?

You're wrong. But I'll let you continue to think that people cannot nearly intuitively detect that the Right is full of ludicrous crap (overall).

They DO NOT want regular people to catch on to the simple reality that they are being 'hoodwinked' (voting against their own self interests)... when they vote for GOP candidates.

 

That's not an explanation for why they are insane, extreme, or crazy. Just more of the same.

If you don't believe me, try writing a sentence that goes "Republicans are crazy, insane, and extreme, because ______"

and really try to make a point. Give it an honest go, and be honest with yourself. Does your explanation pass the finger test?

 

I think they may open the crypt and pull out Gore in November and he might run on the global warming hysteria ticket. I can see it all now, Gore the father of the internet and the father of global warming can step up and save the planet single handily. I think it will be the smoke screen used to divert attention from the crap economy and Obama's asinine foreign and immigration policy's while campaigning. I can just see the campaign ads. They could resurrect the old 1970's PSA's with the Native American looking at the pollution and shedding a tear, except this time they can use an Alaskan Native watching a Polar Bear float away on a piece of ice shedding a tear till Al shows up the save the world. Pure speculation on my part, but it sounds right to me.

 

Indeed. Things on the Dem Party side of things are a real mess, no matter how a realist looks at it. My sense is that the DNC is going to keep pushing Hillary as the party's eventual nominee up to the moment that Obama's Justice Department indites her on a wide slate of charges from fraud with her charity organization to those confidential and possibly secret emails placed on a non-secured server. Then and only then -- when it's just too late for the party to recover -- will the DNC unofficially endorse a second tier candidate.

By the way, I know that I am probably wrong about much of this stuff but it will be interesting on my end of things to see how close I might just come to being correct about some of them. This is why I enjoy posting about politics. During the presidential campaign cycles its all pure entertainment value.

 

The TEA Party is regular people. Hillary has about as much in common with regular people as you do with the wbc. She is a long term crony capitalist who is as corrupt as they come.

The most interesting thing that could happen in thei election is a three way race between Trump, Bush, and Hillary. With Trump having a very real chance to win simply because lot of people including people who have never before voted in there life could turn out not so much to vote for Trump but to vote against continued rule by tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber.

 

i cant wait to see her sh*t her depends in every debate she shows up to.

 

You mean they should become Democrats? What would make them "reasonable" in your view?

 

I'm an independent and could support most of the fine stable of candadites the Republicans have at this point. Why do you think more will ssupport Hillary? What policies and positions of hers are going to attract independents.

 

The problem with leftist perspectives is that they have moved radically leftwards in ideology over the past four or so decades to the point that what would have seemed to the average Dem Party voter as moderate statements of FACT four decades ago now seem to the average leftist as the most egregious of extremist conservative talk. JFK would be drummed out of the Dem Party today as a fire brand of an EVIL rightwing extremist, and that's how far Left the Dem Party has drifted.

 

And what in my "self interest" is Hillary bringing to the table? Last time the Republicans were in charge we had full employment, rising incomes, solid GDP growth and deficit down to $161B. And the Republican candidates are all talking policies to get is back to that. That seems to be in my self interest.

 

It's not so much whom independents will support, but who they will hold their nose and vote for. A lot of independents have the habit of voting for the least worst candidate in their mind. Trump has a 60% unfavorable rating among independents, he is not that candidate whom independents would feel comfortable choose over Hillary. Bush and Hillary unfavorables are about even. The rest most independent say they do not know enough about to rate either favorable or unfavorable. This far out that is not surprising.

Just keep in mind, the Republicans must win the independent with 54 or 55% of them in order to win the popular vote. This is due to the larger Democratic base. In 2012 Romney won independents 51-48% but still lost the election by 4 points. 2012 was a classic example of independents not liking either candidate much and voting for the least worst candidate in their minds.

 

So again what is Hillary bringing to the table for independents that the Republicans are not?

 

Independents are not as ideological of those who identify with Republican and Democratic Parties. They have a hot button issue or two, but do not care about most others. One of their issues is usually the economy, jobs etc. Hillary knows where she stands with independents and she knows the economy is usually their number one issue. Social issues are not.

Hence she came out with her economic plan to try to get her unfavorable ratings down among independents. Keep in mind in the 2014 midterm election which the Republicans won the independent vote by a good margin, the number one concern was the economy and the independents expected the Republican congress to do something about it. But as of today, the Republican congress hasn't addressed it yet. They forgot why they were elected and why independents voted for them.

A lot of the time when independent vote or decide whom they will vote for, it is who they are mad at lately. In 2014 they were mad at the Democrats for the economy and the botched rollout of the ACA and hence voted Republican. In 2008 they were mad at Bush and the economy and tired of Republican rule and they voted for Obama. 2010, independents were mad at the Democrats for ignoring their wishes on the ACA and they went Republican. So whom will the Independents be more mad at, Hillary or the Republican nominee? That question remains to be answered. But a Republican congress elected to do something about the economy and ignoring it, is not a good start. Independents at times do hold those they vote for responsible.

 

If by 2016 Hillary is in jail or on probation for her crimes I dont think she will be president.

 

As long as you are going to bring that subject up, it may as well be accurate.That would actually be 4 out of the last 6, which is one election more than a 50/50 split, and one of those being essentially a tie.

 

I just realized that my original response to this was incorrect. My apologies. With that being said....The Democrat candidate has won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections, and one of those was so close that it was essentially a tie. For I believe the second time in history, the popular and electoral votes diverged. What you are really saying is that Democrats have had two of the last 3 presidents, Republicans have had one, and in one of those elections it was a statistical tie. In the context of historical precedents, that isn't anything that out of the norm. Republicans could have said they had won 6 out of 7 in 1992, and it would have been equally irrelevant in projecting the future outcome of elections.

 

You've been duped. Hillary is a distraction for the gop to focus on. They'll expend all their effort going after her, and at the last minute the democrats will bring forth the real deal. No way in hell will Hillary be the nominee, much less win the G.E.

 

Reality...

 

How aboyt a Bush Gore Race? yea thats the ticket.

 

Yep, here they are. Let me know if you disagree.

Basically yes. Baring some major event or surprise 42 states are close to be written in stone whom they will cast their electoral votes for with a possible of a couple of exceptions:
These states are going to go to the Democratic Candidate no matter what: 186 Electoral votes.
California (55)
Connecticut (7)
Delaware (3)
District of Columbia (3)
Hawaii (4)
Illinois (20)
Maine-AL (2)
Maine-01 (1)
Maine-02 (1)
Maryland (10)
Massachusetts (11)
New Jersey (14)
New York (29)
Oregon (7)
Rhode Island (4)
Vermont (3)
Washington (12)

There is a 90% plus chance these states will go Democratic: 31 Electoral votes.
Michigan (16)
Minnesota (10)
New Mexico (5)

These states stand a 65% or better chance of going to the Democratic nominee: 20 Electoral votes:
Pennsylvania (20)
Wisconsin (10)
That totals up to 247 Electoral votes that the GOP really does not have a crack at. But on the Republican side they have their state also where hell would freeze over before they lost that state in 2016. These are known as Solid Republican States: 164 Electoral Votes
Alabama (9)
Alaska (3)
Arkansas (6)
Idaho (4)
Indiana (11)
Kansas (6)
Kentucky (
Louisiana (
Mississippi (6)
Missouri (10)
Montana (3)
Nebraska-AL (2)
Nebraska-01 (1)
Nebraska-02 (1)
Nebraska-03 (1)
North Dakota (3)
Oklahoma (7)
South Carolina (9)
South Dakota (3)
Tennessee (11)
Texas (3
Utah (6)
West Virginia (5)
Wyoming (3)

These states fall into the 90% plus factor for them going Republican in 2016.
Arizona (11)
Georgia (16)

That ends the Republican states with a total of 191 Electoral votes.

The following states are what we call swing states or tossup states which either party can win and in reality are the only contested states for 2016. They total 100 Electoral votes:
Colorado (9)
Florida (29)
Iowa (6)
Nevada (6)
New Hampshire (4)
North Carolina (15)
Ohio (1
Virginia (13)

Now for the exceptions. The Republicans think they have a shot at Wisconsin, 10 EV and the Democrats at Georgia 16 EV and Arizona 11 EV. I think both parties are dreaming about this. But I will be keeping an eye on these states.

 

If so, it's a good plan.

 

Well, there is the possibility Hillary can win, IF they can get enough illegal aliens across the border, and registered to vote by mid year 2016.

And meteorite or some other unexpected event kills all the other candidates in both parties.

And all the other legal citizens of the USA.

And if she does not get indicted for obstruction of justice concerning destruction of e-mail evidence.

And the Judge and jury that are about to find her guilty, do not die of a mysterious food poison event or are found dead from suicide shot to head with the gun in the wrong hand, like Vince Foster.

 

In the name of "accura[cy]," the Democrats (as regarding which, I am emphatically NOT one) won the popular vote in 1992; 1996; 2000; 2008; and 2012.

The GOP won the popular vote in 2004 (with John Kerry as the Democrats' standard bearer).

 

And my own apologies for posting a response to your previous post, without having read this first.

Actually, National Review (which I quite like; it is one of my favorite magazines) made note of the fact--in the late 1980s, I think--that the GOP had won five of the last six presidential elections. (Richard Nixon won the first two of those; the streak was interrupted by Jimmy Carter's win for the Democrats; then Ronald Reagan won two for the Republicans, and George H.W. Bush won one election.)

But I am unaware of a six-out-of-seven streak.

 

Yikes. I have looked through a good amount of info on almost all of the runners, all parties, but I am not done. I have only taken interest in the past couple of days. Right now, we do have her to at most look at as someone who if all else, will most likely win, and can probably do the job. I don't know what conclusion to come to yet. I know if abortion is mentioned too much in someone's campaign I will not vote for them. I will not vote for them if they even mention religion other than about not fighting Islam. All the Republicans stunk, none of them have a suitable campaign or really one that makes any kind of sense for a presidential position . So I guess I will be looking at the Democratic party a lot closer this year. Might even actually pay attention to a Libertarian. Yeah, so far, Hillary Clinton, but that could change, someone could make more sense have brighter ideas. I don't know.