Job creation under Obama's leadership

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Say what you will the economy has grown under Obama. Below is a graph showing job creation outpacing population growth in almost all states.

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    The stats are from BLS and the graph appeared in the August 8 edition of the Globe and Mail and can be found online here
     

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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your headline should read, "Job creation in spite of Obama leadership" :wall:
     
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    All should support mandatory pay increases for the blue and white working class if the USA is to experience a sustainable march
    to substantial job growth.

    It is the working class of America that is the driving force or economic growth thus job growth.

    What has been a large barrier to economic growth and job growth since 1980?

    GOP WAGES WAR AGAINST USA CITZIENS AND THEIR ECONOMY

    Why Do Republicans deliberately crash the US economy?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/09/did-republicans-deliberately-crash-us-economy

    --- The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist
    http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

    --- Bush family of politicians "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocates for total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century - Waging global war is a money hole which stifles economic growth within our borders.

    --- The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/...-Meme-and-Ignore-the-Money-Launderers-UPDATED

    --- What did Bush and Henry Paulson do with the $700 billion of bail out money?
    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

    --- Why did GW Bush Lie About Social Security?( This would cost taxpayers $4 trillion,place taxpayers insurance money at risk and wreck the economy)
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

    --- Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts – The GOP ENTITLEMENT Package for
    the wealtiest 1%.
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html
     
  4. merrill

    merrill New Member

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    Right To Work is GOP legislation reducing wages to the working class.

    Dumb as hell .....
     
  5. Matt84

    Matt84 Well-Known Member

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    Haha, funny. Just can't bring yourself to admit that the economy under Obama has far surpassed that under cowboy Bush huh? If we were losing 700,000 jobs a month under Obama as we were under Bush, you'd blame Obama directly, but of course jobs are being created despite him according to you. The hypocrisy is strong in this one!
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The economy is cyclical. Cyclical. Has it not been forObama, we'd be out of recession months, if not years earlier.
     
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    A nation can only employ the max number of its own people when they are allowed to make what they consume in goods and services. Even then, they will not employ everyone that wants to work. That is a mathematical certainty, given that robotics will continue to replace humans.

    So when our gov't allowed the jobs making what we consume to be shipped to cheap labor while retaining access to our markets, the end result has to be that you will have millions of people who never have a living wage job again, if they can even get a job. That is a mathematical certainty and an inconvenient fact.

    So when any president serves and jobs are added, even if they are non living wage jobs, that is a good thing. But never forget high jobless rates cannot go away, and the jobs that are added will be non living wage jobs.

    Millions of americans will sink into poverty as time goes by, because the only way you can employ your own people is by allowing them to make what they consume unless you give them gov't jobs that are financed by private sector work, or borrowing.

    That our gov't allowed millions of jobs to be shipped offshore to max out the profits of the corporations, given the mathematical certainty I mentioned, is treason, upon the American people, by taking away their ability to earn a living. And this cannot be weaseled or lied out of.
     
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    The truth has been spoken .....
     
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    Wrong again. Why? GOP WAGES WAR AGAINST USA CITZIENS AND THEIR ECONOMY = 24/7 recession.
     
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    Uh huh, more rhetoric.
     
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    job growth creation outpacing population growth, EXCLUDING those who "exited" the work force (since they only accounted for those ON unemployment as part of the labor force, many people no longer are able to collect it and still are not employed)... if you INCLUDE those who "exited" the work force and accounted for job creation and population growth with them in the numbers, the charts change dramatically... you are welcome... funny how stats change when applied different...

    P.S. here's some more "proof" from your BLS, since you seem to suggest the biased interpretation above is accurate... read ALL the data they put out including those who are gone from the work force etc etc...

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

    spin away... well spin after you read all the notations in the beginning... "but but but, I had a chart from them, citing very specific data that didn't include this other data, so its still correct, cause like, they said it, so it must be the only interpretation of the economy, who cares if they left those people out"

    take specific note of the july 2014 vs july 2015 numbers... where 2 million people have LEFT the labor force... yet the magic numbers you posted suggest everything is rosey and growing? yet in a single months comparison 2 million dropped out? are those ALL reitrees? hmmm that wouldn't add up either would it... gee I wonder what THAT could be, cause the unemployment rate went down a full percent right, hmmm gee what could that beeeeeee...
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you read the article accompanying the graph you'll see that the number of people dropping out (no longer looking) has also decreased. Also average hours worked is up and average wage is up.

    You are welcome.
     
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    Ummm... perhaps you should digest the stats accurately, and not just cling to the first chart you think proves anything...

    http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce

    more people are leaving the workforce still... to this day... its not in decline... its still rising... the only reason why it appears to be declining is sheer population growth... but if you go back and look at the breakdown by age brackets, you'll see those 55+ and older simply are not leaving the workforce as they had in the past, they can't afford to now... and the younger groups 25-54 are the ones not able to get into the work force... and this shows a broader picture, not just a micro-graph that only picks the best possible things to show and excludes all the relevant data... this goes back to showing the 2000 burst where we started going sideways as a nation... and just as we start going back up, KABLOOEY... and we're barely starting to trend sideways, albeit STILL downward... a slight uptick for a couple months is NOT by any means an indication we're headed up, we're still in the downward decline if you look at the moving averages...

    we're basically at rates from the awful 80s...

    http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce

    but at least in the 80s thing trended upward quickly after just 2 years... this has been 6 years and we're still sinking...
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you linked the wrong article because what you linked to has nothing to do with what you posted above.

    Here is what the article says about reduction in labour force:
    In addition the impact of women joining the labour force is less than in the past.

    So it's simple demographic changes. Overall the picture looks good for people looking for work. Obama's success at jobs creation is pretty clear.
     

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