Chaplains banned from preaching that homosexuality is a sin

So, the Christian theme is that gay people shouldn't have sex. That sounds a lot like, anti-gay people having sex with each other. You can play semantics all you like. You're entitled to your religious beliefs just as I am entitled to mine.

 

huh??? who is saying to abstain from sex? The Bible clearly states its position on gay sex (guess which chapter and verse.......hint look at my sig line)

If you enjoy gay sex then OK, you are making that choice to go against the word of God. If you come to the realization that gay sex is wrong, then stop having it and move over to heterosexual sex.

 

He lives off taxpayer money. If he does not like it, he is free to spew his hate elsewhere.

 

YOU ARE.
"The issue is gay sex, gay sex, gay sex. If a person stops having gay sex then all is well."

I'll admit you do give the option of allowing gay people to have sex with people they are not attracted to, as an option. Here again, the only argument you had with my original post was the term, "anti-gay theme." I stand by the term. If you oppose gay lifestyle and provide an alternative that meets your agenda then yes, you have an anti-gay theme.

I have no idea why you are arguing with me. I think the State is wrong. I'm defending the Christian right to preach whatever they want. I made that clear in the post you are attacking.

Peace be with you.

 

the chaplain in the story VOLUNTEERS his time/services

 

I can't say that I agree with this. I don't like the precedent of the law telling the clergy what they can say in the context of their religion. On the other hand, the law isn't saying this man cannot teach that homosexuality is a sin, they're saying he can't do it in his capacity as an employee or volunteer of the prison. While to me that makes it more understandable, I'm still not quite comfortable with it.

 

I'm consistent

If someone opened up "the church of the homosexual lifestyle" and volunteered to speak with people at prison who were curious of that lifestyle, I'd have no problem with that.

Nobody is being forced to hear the word of God. This is just another statist attempt at banning certain speech.

 

Doesn't really matter what the state tells the clergy to avoid discussing.

The clergy will encourage these people to read the Bible for many reasons.

So the inmates will just see it for themselves.




Unless the state then forbids Bibles in prison.



"Hmmm..."

 

I recognize their action to subjugate, dehumanize, and segregate gays into second class citizenship as the hate that it rightfully is.

 

It is not the place of government to regulate something like this, not when the chaplain services are optional. This regulation crossed the line into pushing an agenda.

 

Optional ?.... but some fools claim it's "force fed", that inmates have no choice but to walk into chapel on Sunday mornings !


You're right. The gov't should stay out of religion.

Either let them teach, since the law permits them to be there.... or create a new law that keeps them out.

But don't start creating a state sponsored version that people are required to preach.

 

You are so sadly mistaken that it's not even funny. The individual is welcomed. Christians pray for people to stop engaging in gay sex and to follow the correct path. Christians also understand that not all people have the strength or willpower to stop bad behaviors. We pray for their strength and for them to see the truth.

When a pastor tells a person that engaging in gay sex is sinful, they are simply pointing out the action. It's akin to saying that adultery is sinful, stealing etc. They are all choices made by the individual.

There is no hate involved.

 

Excellent point.

It makes sense.

"The department's regulation is neutral as to religion and requires respectful language toward youth by all staff, contractors and volunteers," Hayter wrote.

"The regulation advances a compelling government interest in developing a trusting, therapeutic relationship with the children in DJJ custody, which requires an environment of unconditional acceptance."

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/07/31/3968722/kentucky-juvenile-justice-department.html

 

No hate involved? Riiiight...that's why they liken gays to pedophilia and bestiality. That's why they sought to criminalize consenting homosexual sex with sodomy laws? That's why they pray for aids to wipe out the gays. That's why they blame earthquakes and hurricanes and forest fires on gays. That's why they fought so hard for so long with such fear mongering and out right lies to prevent gay marriage.

But that's alright. You can continue that lie.

And through it all I will thank you kindly. Why? Because this behavior is what has propelled gay rights onto the main stage. This kind of a irrational hate and outright dishonesty is why gay marriage is legal in all fifty states. These actions are why I can marry my partner of over a decade finally.

So from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You have made gay rights the triumph that they are today. Keep up the good work!

 

Does this mean I should no longer be able preach against the sin of gluttony as well; https://www.pinterest.com/pin/222154194095497887/? Why are you taking away my religious freedoms to force my religious beliefs on you?

 

But that will make shrimp taco night a bust.

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If they believe it will lead to increase violence in their walls, then it is their place.

 

How so?

Or are you one of those that doesn't understand the difference between the Old and New Testament?

Are you saying prisons are full of Jews from the Old Testament times ?

 

New Testament does not wipe out the rules of the old testament. Unless you think Christians aren't bound by the ten commandments.

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

 

I'll preface by admitting this is hypothetical, and I have no information to back it up, it's just my hunch. No one would challenge a Muslim cleric in a state or federal prison system telling inmates that homosexuality is a sin. Unlike Christianity, where there is division on the issue; there is no division in Islamic factions. They're 100% unanimously opposed to homosexuality and they call it sin. Kentucky would have no problem getting only Christian clergy in their prisons that agree with their policy or will at least comply with it. There's no way they get a Muslim to agree or comply. I'm sure this standard does apply to Muslims. I'm saying no one will ever challenge them. I doubt they'll even lecture them.

 

Your comments are nothing but horse(*)(*)(*)(*), if they did it with Christians they WOULD also do that with Muslims. Your "hunch" smells of BS.

 

He was preaching on his own dime if he was volunteering, and his audience was not forced to attend, that too is voluntary. This is simply religious censorship by the state and should be deemed unconstitutional...

 

Would you allow a preacher that taught blacks are inferior or that Christians are infidels and must be killed just as long as it was voluntary on the part of the inmate population to attend?

 

Troubled teen incarcerated? Maybe they need to be taught the ten commandments especially the parts about lying, cheating, stealing etc... and the golden rule, an honest days work, and worked to the point that all they do when they are not going to school or working is rest/sleep. Most of them are not gay to begin with, and even if they are, that isn't why they are in jail.

 

Islam is allowed in our prison systems, they preach all kinds of hate, but you won't see progressives try and silence them...

 

As for the verse you Googled... you need to look up what "fulfill the law" meant. Poorly translated as "accomplish" the law in the verse you found.

As for your claim about unclean foods...
Mark 7:1-5, 14-19
Now when the Pharisees gathered together to him, with some of the scribes, who had come from Jerusalem, they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is, unwashed…. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands defiled?”…. And he called the people to him again, and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him…. Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?”

He declared all foods clean.

So not to worry.... You'll get your shrimp tacos.