Trump: If President, I'll Deport *All* Undocumented Immigrants

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  1. Gatewood

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    Ha! Now wouldn't that be an irony if in order to save money the government used illegal aliens to fill those positions?
     
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    You might want to read it again..

    The facts of this case, as agreed by the parties, are as follows: Wong Kim Ark was born in 1873 in the city of San Francisco, in the State of California and United States of America, and was and is a laborer. His father and mother were persons of Chinese descent, and subjects of the Emperor of China; they were at the time of his birth domiciled residents of the United States, having previously established and still enjoying a permanent domicil and residence therein at San Francisco; they continued to reside and remain in the United States until 1890, when they departed for China, and during all the time of their residence in the United States, they were engaged in business, and were never employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China. Wong Kim Ark, ever since his birth, has had but one residence, to-wit, in California, within the United States, and has there resided, claiming to be a citizen of the United States, and has never lost or changed that residence, or gained or acquired another residence, and neither he nor his parents acting for him ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, or did or committed any act or thing to exclude him [p653] therefrom. In 1890 (when he must have been about seventeen years of age), he departed for China on a temporary visit and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto by sea in the same year, and was permitted by the collector of customs to enter the United States upon the sole ground that he was a native-born citizen of the United States. After such return, he remained in the United States, claiming to be a citizen thereof, until 1894, when he (being about twenty-one years of age, but whether a little above or a little under that age does not appear) again departed for China on a temporary visit and with the intention of returning to the United States, and he did return thereto by sea in August, 1895, and applied to the collector of customs for permission to land, and was denied such permission upon the sole ground that he was not a citizen of the United States.
     
  3. JoeSixpack

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    So what he is saying is, if elected, he will do his job. That would be a 'change'. Sorry for the pun. (not really)

    That was tried and promised to be the effect in the 80's. They didn't get better pay, they got on welfare, and whole new batch of illegal aliens were needed to replace the former ones, so they could be exploited for their slave labor.

    They should all be deported. The anchor baby clause (which is not even real, but rather a blatant misinterpretation of a law that didn't have anything to do with illegal aliens but illegal importation of slaves, black and Chinese) needs to be retroactive back to the 1980's when Reagan allowed amnesty that didn't work. No more free stuff to illegal aliens, except a free ride back to where they came from... AND, and this is the biggie, anybody who hires them needs to be prosecuted as the criminals of organized crime that they are. That means treat them like the mafia or drug dealers, confiscate their assets business and private (ill-gotten gains), sells those assets at state auction, and put them in jail, by replacing them with pot smokers. Problem solved.
     
  4. YouLie

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    Where do you draw the line? At some point we have our own interests to think about.
     
  5. Blasphemer

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    No, a system where you dont magically become a full citizen of an alien country just because your pregnant mother took a vacation there and just happened to give birth, lol. Citizenship should be inherited. It is the blood in peoples veins, parents and nearest family that have most influence on how the child will turn out. They are what creates a citizen of a country. Not an accident of being in certain birth place. Jus sanguinis makes sense which is why almost whole world uses it.
     
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    So citizenship and the rights associated with it should simply be priveleges based on the identity of your parents.

    BTW, I thought America was supposed to be exceptional.
     
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    Says someone that already has it. I love your philosophy "I got mine, (*)(*)(*)(*) anyone else".
     
  8. JoeSixpack

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    It was until both dominating political parties started serving the same corporate masters, as a profit venture.

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    Perhaps they should work on the country they live in, rather than becoming a leech on others.
     
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    This isn't a fairy tale where everyone gets a happy ending. This is the real world. Try to understand resources are limited.
     
  10. Blasphemer

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    Yes, the identity of your parents is what counts for citizenship. For those who do not inherit the citizenship, there is a naturalization process. But giving out citizenships just because of an accident of a birth place is a very dumb idea that really doesnt make sense. At the very least, those anchor babies should be required to actually live and grow up in the US, living there for multiple years, before they become naturalized and earn their citizenship. Not just happen to be in the right place at the right time during birth, lol.

    America was supposed to be exceptional but not exceptionally stupid, which is what this policy of handing out citizenships to all newborn aliens is.
     
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    And our policy makes us exceptionally weak. Hence, the movement for changing it.
     
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    You'r not seeing "lady Liberty" you're probably seeing a taco truck.

    You are one of those who has been indoctrinated in revisionism.

    The revisionist teach that Statue of Liberty stands as a permanent testament to our historic invitation to the world's "huddled masses yearning to be free." :roflol:

    The truth is that the Statue of Liberty is or was a symbol of America as a model to inspire other lovers of freedom by example not some sort of welcome mat for other countries uneducated, poor and unskilled losers.

    Lady Liberty is just a message to the rest of the world, follow America's example, stay home and change your own country, don't bring your problems and politics to America but instead, follow America's example.
     
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    Well we do have an incompetent community organizer as President, that's pretty exceptional.
     
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    Lol...Not really. A large majority of cons prefer to let them stay, so you and the Donald are on the wrong side of the issue again.
     
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    So we get to pick, like The Obama, what laws we will follow (good laws) and what laws we won't (bad laws). Seems like that whole "pick n choose" concept is so flawed and just beyond stupid only a leftist would think it. Either law is law or it isnt worth having laws at all.
     
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    Bull. The BS that DHS has done is easily changed and manpower can be better placed and positioned. Drones can be better used for certain areas. Its all about the priorities of the admin and how they deploy the BP.
     
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    Trump said the children could go with the parents, so nobody is split up. Those children are only assumed to be born citizens by administrative policy, nothing more. Unless they hold a US Passport stating they are US Citizens, then they are merely assumed to be.

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    Why can't the parents take their children with them? The children aren't being deported, the parents are. It would be the parents breaking up their own family if they choose to not take their children with them.
     
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    So a Pregressive e-zine lays claim to a right leaning think tank study that says its "estimations" and links back to other studies that are mostly from its own think tank. :roll: The "think tank" is ran by John McCains campaign economics adviser who is more a Progressive Libertarian than anything. :roflol:

    The DHS annual Budget is roughly $40 Million. If we timed that by 20 years that's $800 Million. If the costs over 20 years are $4-600 Million, that's still less than the total budgeted for the time frame. :roflol: So we could still cut the DHS budget and achieve the goal. :eekeyes:

    The claim to the GDP is BS. Gordon Hanson disproved that already, as I linked to previously, since they already cost us 1% of annual GDP, which doesn't account for State costs and losses.
     
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    They don't need to pass any law, a new admin can re-interpret existing policy and change it. Wong Kim Ark
    and the 14th is merely declaratory of existing law, and that law is the 1866 CRA. Prior to that only Whites were allowed to be born US Citizens.
     
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    Is that why it was found unconstitutional unless it was deemed to be a tax? :roll:




    I say your reading and understanding of WKA and to lay claim that it does something it actually doesn't do makes you inane. WKA does not in any way shape or form provide a foundation for granting children born to illegals the right to citizenship. Please quote the portion of WKA and your interpretation of said quote so that I may educate you on the WKA case itself. :yawn:
     
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    "Troll", probably. Cheap paid harvesting in the US? Are you unaware that the majority of farm workers are actually citizens and legal immigrants? Why can't farmers mechanize? In the long run it would be even cheaper to do so. :confusion:
     
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    Very few rights are inherent (see the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), and all rights, inherent or not, by their very nature, are limiting.

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    Or the H2A visa could be better used by the employer, to which there is no annual cap like every other visa. :roll:
     
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    IMO, the provision ending several Amendments, including and specifically the 14th A, could be understood to correct misconceptions to what was intended. It was never designed to allow children of people from ANYPLACE, to have children in the US and then be the responsibility (jurisdiction) of someplace other than their parents. The problem however is, no law can be retroactive......
     
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    What does exceptional have to do with the 14th Amendment? Citizenship isn't a privilege, it is a right of the body politic and the people/persons in that body politic. Illegals are not part of the body politic, thus they have very few rights while here.
     

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