I'm Switching My Support from Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump

Yesterday, I was an avid supporter of Bernie Sanders, but then I woke up this morning and realized that Bernie Sanders is one or two steps to the right of COMMUNISM which is something I definitely do not support. He conceals this by claiming that he's here to level the playing field and uses slick terms like "social justice" to conceal the fact that he actually stands for LESS FREEDOM. The idea of raising the minimum wage for entry-level jobs to $15 per hour should be considered TREASON because it will bankrupt nearly every small business that provides mostly minimum wage jobs. The math simply does not add up. If this guy becomes president, America could eventually turn into a Communist country which is something I'm afraid of. So now I'm sort of stuck in the middle, but I'm seriously thinking about voting for Donald Trump because he stands for TOTAL FREEDOM which is something I'm definitely for. And if he becomes president, he will be able to implement his conservative policies because the Republicans will be in charge of both Congress and the White House. Of course, the Liberal media is trying to paint him as some sort of wacko because they're on a mission to take away our freedoms. After listening to a couple of his interviews, I believe he possesses a great deal of wisdom which is something this country needs. I'm a registered Democrat but I'm a resident of Florida which is filled with many conservatives, many of whom are retirees. I voted for Rick Scott in 2014 and I'm happy with the results because I think he's a pretty good governor. Maybe I should change my party to Republican because for some odd reason I feel much better when I vote for conservative policies. Hopefully, I don't get swayed back over to the left by the liberal charmers who misled many open-minded people like me into voting for Obama.

 

ORLY?

List the top three reasons you were a supporter of Bernie Sanders.

 

Watch his rally if you want to know why. The guy talks a good talk. He's almost like a Socialist version of JFK. But America was not built on Socialist principles which is why I can no longer support him.

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And a socialst JFK appealed to you...why? What exactly did you find appealing about a Socialist JFK?

Why did you support him in the first place? What were your reasons?

It doesn't sound to me like you ever really supported Sanders.

 

Nothing in your past posts in any suggests you would be Bernie Sanders voter. I would love to hear more on why you supported him and now support his opposite.

 

Because I find the idea of "social justice" appealing if worded in the right way. Raising the minimum wage and significantly raising taxes on the rich who provide us with employment is a recipe for KILLING JOBS. And I can't support policies that are bordering on COMMUNISM.

 

I have another profile on Political Forum that I used back in 2008 shortly before I made the mistake of voting for Obama, but I can't remember my login information for that account. If you read some of my posts from that time period, you would draw the conclusion that I'm more of an independent who can easily be swayed into voting for a different party.

 

In a bizzaro world where Sanders is a communist, communism works

..but the Sanders platform is not a prototype or a social experiment, it is what is used in already existing countries like Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, Norway, Australia, and New Zealand.

These countries not only rank very high in personal freedom, economic freedom, and overall human development, but many of them outrank the US

http://patrickrhamey.com/saturday-research/2015/4/15/2015-state-of-world-liberty-index
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

arguing that Sanders is close to communism is like arguing that communism works

 

What jumped off the page at me was considering Rick Scott a "good governor"...

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As an actual anarcho-communist: he's not nearly close enough to communism for me to like him.

The "freedom" of the bourgeoisie is oppression of the working class. Bourgeois freedom is that which enables the exploitation of the laborer. I won't settle for that. I want real freedom.

Boo hoo, the bourgeoisie will have a harder time extracting surplus labor. This doesn't go nearly far enough. We need to abolish the wage system and give people the full value of their labor.

I'm afraid that if he doesn't get elected, we'll never become communist because people will mistakenly believed he's actually solved problems. Whereas if Trump gets elected, people will realize how godawful capitalism is and be this much closer to seizing the means of production.

Freedom for bourgeois scumbags to ruin the world is not freedom at all.

Trump is the death rattle of capitalism. A greasy realpolitiking quasifascist scumbag using racist rhetoric to rally up support while empowering the upper class at the expense of workers.

A great deal of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is what he possesses. Do you seriously think he believes half of the things he says? He's realpolitik incarnate. A few years ago he was a pro choice democrat. All he cares about is wealth and power at the expense of the working class.

That's okay, a lot of us think things that are completely wrong sometimes.

Maybe it's because you're bourgeois and have little concern for the proletariat?

Sounds like you've already made up your mind.

 

Capitalism is a better fit for America because we're a nation of ENTREPRENEURS. We're not a tourist nation that can survive simply by turning our country into a giant Disneyland and spreading the wealth around. If Socialist policies continue to be implemented in this country, America will eventually turn into Venezuela (maybe even worse). Is this what you want?

[video=youtube;u-Z6Z5twP5I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Z6Z5twP5I[/video]

 

Not even the most avid capitalist really believes that. I'm calling bushwa on your ever having been a Sanders supporter.

 

You don't have to be a capitalist to believe that allowing job creators to keep more of their money will enable them to create more jobs. It's pretty much common sense. If you're running a hot dog stand and 70% of your profits are going to taxes, you're going to have less money to create more hot dog stands.

 

if you think Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand or Finland are a bigger tourist attraction than the US, you are sadly mistaken... hell, you even mentioned Disneyland.. as if this high tourist attraction was something external to the US

The US is only second to France is tourism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings

 

Are you suggesting that America can survive on tourism alone? Are you suggesting that the government should bankrupt every company with high taxes and seize control of all enterprises? Sounds like a COMMUNIST TAKEOVER to me. I hate to break the news to you, but America was not built on Socialist or Communist principles. They may work in less entrepreneurial countries that care little about freedom, but they're not going to work here.

 

So you are saying you are really easily swayed by well worded speeches. That you do not need to be informed of things, like actual political positions, before throwing your support blindly at a candidate. Ok.

Then it is probably a good idea to find out the actual policy positions of a candidate before you jump on their bandwagon. I mean, it's not like Bernie Sanders has exactly made a secret of his agenda.

 

No, I'm saying that I see the merits in both liberal and conservative policies. I want a candidate who can help the poor, but I also believe that business owners should not be stifled with exorbitant tax rates.

 

Trump running wild !

 

nonsense, I'm am merley saying that the US can run on a system similar to Canada, Australia, New Zealand,Sweden, Finland or Norway, and the notion that what works in these countries cannot work in the US due to tourism differences is irrational. Also, seizing control of enterprises and bankrupting companies is an irrelevant topic, as it is not a part of Sander's platform, or any of the countries listed. You're now making up features of the working platforms in Canada, Australia, and Europe so you can make up your own claim about them reflecting communism.. but here's the thing, their platform works.. so arguing that they are communists is like arguing that communism works. It's a self defeating argument

You're also ignoring that these countries listed rank very high in personal freedom and market freedom, and many of them even outrank the US.

Canada outranks the US both in individual freedom and market freedom.. let me say that again, Canada is freer than the US and to say what works in Canada would not work in the US is completely nonsensical, according to economist Gerald Friedman, if we replaced our healthcare system with a single payer system similar to Canada, it would SAVE us over $500 BILLION annually.. which is enough to balance our budget

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2012/0312friedman.pdf

We're not talking about converting our economy to a self reliant market, or abolishing private enterprise, but merely using the revenue gained through capitalism to pay for certain social policies

 

Glad to see you're waking up. Bernie Stalin sucks.

 

Why don't you just enroll as an independent? That way you can vote any way you want without feeling guilty. Political parties are passe and are part of the reason this country is in such sad shape; both major political parties serve special interest groups instead of just the people. I've been an independent my whole life and have no regrets about it; I get to vote as I please, don't get phone calls soliciting money and no junk mail from those running for public office.

 

How will the US end?

In the fanatical throes of the ignorant as demonstrated by the OP's ill-informed "logic".

 

Going from Sanders to Trump is a pretty radical switch. Did you wake up and realize that everything you believe is completely wrong or something?

Sounds like you should go libertarian.

 

America has always been about a pound short of being a National Socialist nation. Before Communism even existed, we were purging our society of dissent from all those folks who did not support the dilettante founders and were exterminating Native Americans.

Support Trump if you so desire. Bernie will still be in the race when Donald gets bored and wants to focus on picking up his next wife.

 

I don't think you should vote for Sanders. Just don't pretend like this man was anything but upfront and open about his left of center progressivism. He is absolutely a believer in redistributing wealth from high to low. You just did not do your homework at all. Don't make the same mistake twice. You need to do a lot of research if you think Trump is some libertarian, or that he has been remotely consistent about what he believes. Stop listening to a few speeches and interviews and do your due diligence. Its no one's fault except yours, if you sign up after listening to a sales pitch.