The Book of Revelation Unlocked

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Right.
    You need interpret the Bible yourself.
    If you get it all clear and explained, write it down and place your ideas on the table, so we can examine every set of insights and compare.

    There are only a few full interpretations right now.
    1) The Talmud is one.
    2) The Koran is another.
    3) The Book of Mormon does it too.
    4) The JW's changed and added and revised the KJV Bible and have their own also.
    5) The contemporary Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible is now on line.

    That about sums the sources up pretty much right now.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The Jews say the Romans were the Edomites as far as they were concerned.
    And Qchan says Black Africans invaded Italy, took over the Roman Empire by 190 AD, and, hence, were the people who pushed Israel out of their homeland.
    These Black people reigned until 1500 AD, when Islam arose and took over the Eastern Roman Empire.

    Qchan seems to be saying the Black Africans were effectively the Roman enemies of the Jews.
    And, he says also that the west coast Black Africans were who we call Israel.
     
  3. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure it won't. I avoid your 'truth' which and I ignore your version of the Bible. Your statistics mean nothing. I've seen other statistics and they're 'all right' according to someone.

    As to the sexually promiscuous people - tell me more. Lol.

    Carry on believing what you want. I showed you some of the errors of your OT/NT comparisons but you refuse to accept them. So be it.
     
  4. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    I never said I had "truth."
    I said that Truth is what people need, in order to discover the Reality they need live inside to be sane.

    Isn't that true about The Truth???
     
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    That would all depend on what your private and personal definitions are for the terms "The Truth" and "sane". BTW: also include your personal and private definition of 'reality'.
     
  6. Qchan

    Qchan Banned

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    Looks like the joke's on you.


    That's incorrect, because King Herod and his heirs were Roman Edomite proselytes. By that time, they were not black. The black people didn't conqueror Rome until 193AD. However, even after the rein of Septimius Severus, blacks didn't hold their positions for long.



    Except they didn't disappear from history. They assimilated with the Romans long before the days of Hyrcanus.
    Source: http://www.jewish-history.com/cresson/cresson25.html



    1) You didn't name a single good thing Edomites have done here.

    2) Black people had to fight for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 by setting up the Million Man March, by setting up the bus Boycott initiated by what happened with Rosa Parks, etc. The Civil Rights Act of 1968 didn't pass until after Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated by the US Government. As for affirmative action, blacks wouldn't need affirmative action if they were allowed to attend white colleges without ridicule and prejudice, or allowed to work in certain places or attend others without prejudice in the first place.

    What you're saying here is a joke. That's like mafia gangsters beating up people with a bat, and then saying that if they agree to stop, they'd be providing a humanitarian service.

    3) Except for Hurricane Katrina! Except for the Ebola outbreaks that the U.S. started in West Africa. Edomites did not help alleviate when these things happened - instead, they wanted Ebola to spread. Hurricane Katrina was one large experiment to see what black people would do under martial law under extreme conditions. The U.S. army quarantined the area, preventing any black people from fleeing the site, and willingly opened fire on civilians who were bold enough to move past their quarantine zone (http://newsone.com/3170047/shots-on-the-bridge-author-ronnie-greene-danziger-bridge-shooting/).

    African villagers in West Africa, after learning that the U.S. was trying to infect remote villagers with the Ebola virus, fought back and killed a bunch of those doctors and volunteers who attempted to do so (http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...gers-threatening-ebola-aid-workers-in-africa/). They had every right to, because Ebola is a deadly bioweapon and Edomites have consistently went to West Africa to test this weapon out. This is what evil looks like.

    4) Except Edomites have been funding terrorist groups in attempts to prevent those Africans from feeding themselves. On the account of the French, they boldly went into several countries in Africa, boldly killed and stolen their natural resources, and then told the African people that THEY needed to pay France for what they did (http://portside.org/2014-02-07/france-forces-africa-pay-colonialism).

    5) Katrina nor Haiti had the Internet during those natural disasters. Why? Because their electricity was out. The people in those areas were poor. How could the Internet possibly help them when they couldn't afford anything or had any electricity to get any device working?

    6) But Britain and France were waist deep in the transporting, buying and selling of African slaves! Also, Britain didn't abolish slavery until black revolutionists, headed by Toussaint L'Ouverture, forced them to. If the slaves didn't revolt, slavery in the UK, France and Haiti would've continued.

    7) Stopping ISIS? The U.S. trained and funded ISIS!
    Source: http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/02/24/tsr-dnt-kosinski-us-allies-funding-isis.cnn

    8 ) I just made you look utterly terrible and pointed out the atrocities Edomites have done. This stuff is evil, and then you turn around and ask what Israelites have done to help the world? Wow. Just look at how evil you are. When the Edomites are wiped off the map, the world will rejoice!

    Proverbs 29:2 (NLT) says, "When the godly are in authority, the people rejoice. But when the wicked are in power, they groan."
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    dude, Edomites haven't existed for 2,000 years.

    let it go
     
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    You don't even realize that you're an Edomite. That's the sad thing about it. You still think you have ancestry that leads to Israel, but you don't.
     
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    sorry bro, but just because someone is not black, doesn't mean he is an "Edomite".

    in fact, your use of the term "Edomite" appears to just be some sort of new offensive pejorative for white people, come up by the black hebrew israelites. its too bad Israel hasn't deported them all. hopefully they will soon.
     
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    No one said anything about being "not black". The Native Americans and several Hispanic groups are also Israelites. "Black" is just a color. It is not a nationality.

    You're not educated in this field because you don't know the truth. First off, you're an atheist. So, you don't understand what your own Torah says about the Jews. Second, none of you supposed "Jews" match the prophecies told in your scriptures. Not a single one of you. Another thing is that Israel is constantly under attack by the surrounding nations. Top Iranian military officials talk about blowing you guys up almost on the daily basis. Why? Because you don't belong there.

    So, while you hope Ben Ammi Ben-Israel's group of Hebrew Israelites get deported, I hope Hamas successfully hits Tel-Aviv so your Israeli friends can get off their high horse and stop massacring innocent women and children in Gaza.
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol!!!! :roflol:

    wtf are you talking about?

    lol!! no, I am not an Atheist.

    bro, the Bible is not a history book.

    well, it has some history, but the things like predictions for the future? they are just silly fantasy.

    oh, so now you support murderous terrorism against innocent people?
     
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    If the bible isn't a history book, then why did the Israelis kick out poor Palestinian families from Jordan Valley and demolish the town just to dig up remains concerning King David and King Solomon?
    Source: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/demolishes-displacing-families

    Why fight for Jerusalem in 1968 if you didn't believe in the Torah? You say it's not a history book, but your prime minister swears by it.
    My only explanation for you is that you're an atheist. Secular Jews seems to be all the rage these days.
     
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    sorry bro, but much of the Bible, especially everyone listed before Abraham, is silly fantasy.

    you know what's also silly fantasy in the Bible?

    all the crazy prophecies and future predictions. I think the so-called Prophets, who made all these prophecies, were on some crazy-ass drugs.

    :roflol:
     
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    I understand you have a hard time focusing. So, I'll ask again.

    If the bible isn't a history book, then why did the Israelis kick out poor Palestinian families from Jordan Valley and demolish the town just to dig up remains concerning King David and King Solomon? Clearly, your own people don't regard the bible as a silly fantasy book.
     
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    They didn't.. You don't know much at all about Palestine .. and you certainly are screwy on the Edomites are Europeans bit. I never heard such amazing rubbish. Who taught you such lies?
     
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    The Prime Minister of Israel simply makes a 'Declaration of Loyalty'. 'I pledge to maintain loyalty to the State of Israel and to its laws and to faithfully fulfill my duties as President of the State'.
     
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    What loyalty? The State of Israel has a puppet government. They cannot support themselves. Their economy is based upon US dollars and not upon their own economic power. Nothing they do is backed up by gold. It's all a farce.
     
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    That may be true but that does not support your idiotic claim that Edomites were European or that the "real" Jews were black.
     
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    What a load of absolute tripe. You know nothing. They more than support themselves. What they do get from the US is military aid. The reason for that is debateable but in the opinion of many, Myself included) it's more down to the fact of Zionist power in the US than anything else.
    As for gold. You don't need gold to be solvent when you have reserves in other forms totalling 86B (US dollars). In simple terms. If you own a house as an asset you can still get a loan if your income is sufficient. You don't need a fortune in the bank, just surety to back the loan.

    Many economies use the US dollar when dealing on the open market, even though their own currency is different.

    And you could easily look these things up if you wanted.
     
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    OK,...

    "Second, none of you supposed "Jews" match the prophecies told in your scriptures. Not a single one of you."

    Let's get back to you and the West Afrcans who you say are the real Jews, not the people from the Holocaust.
    I showed you how what happen in Germany from 1942-45 fit exactly for Rev 11;7-13.
    You said it was wrong.

    Then you said this is how we must read Rev 11:7-13:

    Rev. 11:7 And when they, (i.e.; The United States, which is referenced from Sodom and Egypt, after the Jerusalem exile of 70 AD), shall have finished their testimony (of forgetting who they are), the (?) beast (?) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (?) shall make (?) war against them, (The United States), and shall overcome them (and defeat them), and kill them (how?).

    Now let's go to Rev. 11:8 And, (America, i.e.; Egypt and Sodom, who are the Edomites), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (America) of the great city (??), which spiritually (?) is called Sodom, (?) and (?) Egypt, where, (??) also our Lord was crucified (???).

    11:8 seems say that "Edomites" crucified Jesus.
    It also says that Jesus was crucified in what was symbolic of Egypt, meaning an evil Jerusalem, I guess?

    Who is the Beast?
     
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    Revelation was a letter written to the seven first century churches.. You don't get to reinvent it..
     
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    ?
    There was a set of the two dozen verses which you say did not compare to each well to one another?
    Perhaps you and/or Incorporal can point them out again:

    How about the first four verse sets here:

    1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

    1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

    John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where .Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

    2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

    2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

    John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

    3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

    2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
    12 And Elisha saw it,

    Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

    Is there anything you or Incorporal think doesn't compare well here???


     
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    Revelation was letter first written by Jews, in Hebrew, at least 200 years before Jesus was even born.
    Jesus added the first three chapters, but the rest was all Hebrew prophecy, as the Jewish Encyclopedia will explain: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12712-revelation-book-of
     
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    You're wrong.. Everyone was writing apocalyptic literature.. it was very popular.. But, Revelation tells you exactly who the letter is addressed to and how long it will be before it all happens. Its not about Russia or China or the US......... Its about events in the first century.
     
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    You are interpreting what the letter says.
    You error because the letter says Satan will be locked up for 1000 years, and gone, while one church for Jesus will last a whole millennium.
    (Rev 20:3,4).

    That's OK.
    So is Qchan telling me what he believes the letter says.
     
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