Remove all drug/gang violence, USA still too violent

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even if we removed all the gang and drug related gun murders, the USA is still waay to violent.

    too many mass-shootings.

    too many murders over petty differences.

    its due to Hollywood, poor anger management skills, poor conflict resolution skills, inside concepts of Masculinity.

    and are gun culture.

    guns should be kept in the home, for home defense/hunting/sport.

    everyday Joe should not be walking around with his Glock to the Walmart, Costco, Target.

    too many people in our society don't actually respect guns as the deadly weapon that they are, but instead see them as a tool not unlike a nail clipper, or a pocket knife.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    any proof of your claims. I see straw men walking in your argument. most gun violence is committed by people who cannot legally own guns
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and yet, they bought guns.

    how about that
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    so your solution is to ban all gun sales? and lots of addicts bought drugs-so your solution is to get rid of WALGREENS
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    What constitutes too much violence? To me a single act of unlawful violence is too much violence. By my measure every country on Earth has too much violence.
     
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    Evil,,,runs rampant..it is OUR ENEMY

    One cant begin to fight an enemy one refuses to name ..or acknowledge!!

    People who Murder people are acting on EVIL URGES!!
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    mass shootings, for one
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's ban guns, cigarettes, and alcohol (again) at the same time.

    If you're going to destroy America might as well turn the volume all the way up.
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    can we also ban chewing tobacco and southern accents?
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need to keep smokes so the inmates have something to barter with for a turn at the gun owner booty.
     
  11. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    yeah that gay black guy would be worth a pack of smokes and a hershey bar in some prisons

    years ago there was a group called the "silent brotherhood". They killed Alan Berg and stole millions from a Brinks truck. They were aryan supremacists and big time gun owners. Their leader was killed by the FBI (Robbie Matthews). Their main gun guy was a former UDT/SEAL guy. he was sentenced to MARION, USP Level VI. within a short period of time of his incarceration, black gang bangers tried to snuff him. they failed. within a couple days, the HOME of the lead gangbanger along with his family was vaporized when a heavy anti tank missile blew up the house

    moral of the story? no one ever screwed with that guy again because guys like him tend to have friends on the outside who both play for keeps and are masters at that game
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree. Let's address the mass shootings in DC, Camden, Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore. You know, the places 60% of our countries violence takes place.
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, let's discuss the extreme socio-economic inequality, the history of discrimination, the loss of jobs, that have taken palce there.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting story. We should outlaw TOW missiles while we are at it.
     
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    Bastiats libertarians Well-Known Member

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    Actually I did a statistically analysis on this. If you take out the murders in major urban centers out of the picture our murder rate falls in line with the average of most European countries maybe slightly higher.
     
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    mercenaries tend to ignore such laws. but a TOW missile is not an ARM within the meaning of the second amendment. its not a weapon individual citizens are expected to normally keep or bear. Its also not covered by the imperfect HELLER holding because its NEITHER in common use or not dangerous
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We should outlaw them anyway. It isn't like we really have tank wars anymore.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you kidding me? They live in liberal strongholds why do they still have problems? Hell, they are run by BLACK liberals at that.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    they are already outlawed unless you can afford the cost and the Class III stamp. I have never seen one for sale.

    are you one of those people who thinks NEED is what should drive laws rather than the government proving a clear and present danger

    I always put the burden on the government
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah we should do tha....oh wait they already are outlawed aren't they?
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the military has the, then no.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you ever looked for one for sale?

    Clear and present danger is a ridiculous standard. with 350M people, the government should be focused on that which is necessary to keep things orderly, which means more smokes and fewer anti-tank weapons.
     
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    anti tank weapons kill less people each year in civilian USA environments than those who die from receiving anal sex from horses. its a NON ISSUE and they already are so strictly regulated and unavailable for sale, your concerns are silly. What is also silly are calls for gun bans on honest gun owners in the faux attempt to prevent crime
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't visit beastiality sites so I do not know what their death rate is. What is silly is thinking that the second amendment was ever intended to allow this kind of madness. It was always about defending the nation and enforcing the laws. The reason the Articles of Incorporation failed was because a bunch of yahoos felt they had a right to stand up to the government. There is zero historical context to support your position.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I need a good laugh. after spending years as an attorney who constantly dealt with constitutional issues, and who has lectured peer reviewed forums concerning the second amendment, I need your version of what the second amendment really means. I want to hear what you claim the second amendment was intended to do. Now I know what the answer is but I want to see what your position is
     

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