homophobia is now defined as the belief that homosexuality is a sin

bruce jenner said he's never been gay: Bruce Jenner: I'm not gay!

now that he has completed transition, he says he seems to find men attractive: Bruce Jenner Admits: I appreciate the male form

if that's not a change in sexuality, it comes close.

that's from bruce jenner taking estrogen, large, large doses of it, like candy (maybe laced with other stuff to make it delicious). gay men who don't mind becoming women could take large dose of estrogen like candy to become bi. today bruce jenner is a very curvaceous female.

 

None ofthis is relevant. Transgenderism isn't bisexuality.

 

we don't have to argue this. it's only that gay men who want to date as bisexuals can do so by taking estrogen, large, large amounts of it until they become female and their sexual orientation flips. bruce jenner is the proof. that's all, it is.

 

I am not sure it works that way Jenner's anecdote is just that. You are applying too much to one person's opinion.

 

it's not just jenner's anecdote it is also transsexual doctors opinions that sexual orientation can change with high and heavy dose estrogen (with concomitant brain damage).

Sexual Preference Uncertain After Cross Sex Hormone Therapy

 

Can isn't will.

 

First I'll clarify one thing, in that Jesus linked desires to sin as being the same as actions to sin. This basically made it impossible for actual people to ever not be sinners to some degree. So we're all sinners by that standard - we all have our own sins to contend with (or not). If Christians viewed homosexual behavior like any other sin, there would have been no gay marriage issue. Everybody's a sinner right? So it's just another sin. We don't legislate against all sins, such as being wealthy. Not approving of something and so trying not to engage in it versus trying to prevent other people from legally doing it are two very different things. The way in which Christians have opposed the homosexual equality movement is best explained as bigotry with a religious glaze to make it seem like anything but the repugnant and hypocritical stance it is.

 

Because, Christianity, and Islam and even all the Eastern Religions for all I know, are mainly justifications for haters to hate. I've studied all of them and it does seem to me that the Abrahamic faiths are the best for this but I'm sure there are devout Lamaists who are convinced we really just have to kill all the Theravadas for the world's problems to instantly cease. These people study their religions carefully and memorize every passage that has to do with why sin is bad and make every effort to forget if it even says they should forgive sinners for sinning, or anybody for anything for that matter.

The standard phrase is never more right. Haters GOTTA hate, and they'll go to any lengths to do it.

 

Wife number 4 used to be Mistress number 6 until she got promoted, so its all good. Trickle Down works!!!

 

Except Jenner has never identified as gay.

 

Nonsense. As you already noted, Jenner wasn't gay. There's nothing scientific about extrapolating from her situation to that of a gay man. If estrogen turned a formerly heterosexual man into someone with bisexual attractions (adding an attraction to men, that is), then giving estrogen would more likely make a gay man gayer, not bisexual.

Not to mention the ridiculous idea that gay men have a desire to be bisexual, or would want to become women. Gay is an identity associated with same-sex orientation. It's not interchangeable with transgender, which is having a gender identity that doesn't comport with one's assigned sex. The two are not synonymous.

 

for the straight bruce jenner, it would be straight to bi and straight to gay.

 

many gay men start off being homophobic and would like to be straight. if you can't be straight then the next best thing is to be bi. becoming a woman could be a disadvantage, but if you REALLY want to be a gay lover of women, then this is the only game in town.

 

Hormones are powerful.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4192544/

But you are right of course, it's not sexual. If anything, transwomen are desexed. People who can't see that have their mind in the gutter.

 

An old post, but I'll correct you anyway:

The New Testament in numerous places says that condoning, encouraging, participating in, or knowingly allowing sin, is itself a sin.

For example, 1 Timothy 5:22 “Do not participate in the sins of others.”

1 Corinsthians 5
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

There are many more. The New Testament is very clear that knowingly helping in any way the spiritual corruption of another person is a sin.

 

The trans thing is difficult for me to wrap my head around. I figure I'm an average person,and Ithink most folks have the same difficulty. My only position on them is my heart goes out to them. Asfar as sexuality is concerned, the waters get really muddy around this.

As to chevron's position most men don't want to be women.

 

yes it's hardly an epidemic.

 

I'dsay it's a statistical zero.

 

i agree. trans therapy for men is essentially castration therapy. but in the right amount, it reduces the sex drive for gay men and confuses the brain so that they sometimes can have sex with women. the cost is high: brain damage and female transition.

 

That's not very nice. Why is it brain damage?

 

No, that is NOT the definition.

Please, try again.

 

it is brain damage because the brain volume is reduced in the taking of estrogen and because they begin to think like women although they are not women and they are not transgender.

 

I hardly think thinking like a woman is brain damage. I mean I'd never trust myself to vote or run for election but I don't think I'm naturally brain damaged. Men and women just think differently. If a male feels transgendered he probably already thinks female anyway?

 

It isn't a sure thing It isn't even a theory. Further it's stupid. Wanting to be straight isn't wanting to be bisexual. So it is really a stupid suggestion. When I wanted to be straight it wasn't because I really wanted to be straight,it's because I didn't want to be different. Andthat seems to be the case for many people that go through that. So taking hormones wouldn't really change that.

Best thing we can do for youngsters that don't want to be gay is separatethem from their backward cults that insist their gods share their dislikes. Parents should dump the cult immediately if they chastise their children.This should be encouraged. Also the removal of cultural stigma has improved life for these people. Sothere is no need to monkey with hormones.

 

I'd say interpreting the Bible as literally true when I'm not sure if even many ancient people believed it to be such is ignorance, but I definitely don't equate disliking homosexual acts with hating homosexuals as individuals.