Obama falters again on Oregon Shooting Speech

We can't even keep drugs out of prisons... a 24/7 secure environment yet somehow you think you can regulate the flow of contraband out on the street? Talk about nonsense. What color is the sky in your world?

 

We do issue knives as military weapons. You have no idea what you're talking about. Nice strawman, by the way.

How will your background check stop the next mass shooting? It will not. It did not in this case, nor the case before and it will not the next time.

 

No I don't want to disarm anyone. I am sorry do you have crystal ball that lets you read my mind. If you do please, I beg you, don't give it my wife.

Ye olde slippery slope argument eh? You do of course realize the slippery slope is logical fallacy correct? What I want to do is just what I said I want to do. So please again explain to me how my proposals disarm people (without your psychic abilities mind you).

 

Ok dude we don't issue knives as weapons anymore they are tools. No straw man at all. Are you seriously trying to argue that swords and knives are as lethal as guns. How many wars in the 20th century have been exclusively with swords and knives? Why, because even a second grader can tell you that guns are more lethal.

Universal background checks will prevent people who have serious mental health issues from being able to buy guns...like the Navy Yard shooter. Universal background checks will prevent some mass shootings not all but some. Some is better than none. More importantly the 21 grace period and restrictions on ammo purchases would prevent many more. Again not all but a significant number.

 

Blue and yes we can prevent proxy buying. It is actually one of the more easiest things to prevent by simple reporting mechanisms. It doesn't equate to smuggling drugs like you suggest. You are comparing apples and oranges.

 

Once again Obama stands on the dead bodies of innocent victims and spews leftist propaganda. They are so good at that.

 

And then they cut funding for mental health programs and threw the sick under the bus, doubling down on their mistakes.

 

I think he would do all you say, if he could. There is a difference between calling people out and getting the right things done. It's a level of chess being played, that's hard to see from outside of the game.

He may have said things in a few private calls or visits to his office... that would probably blow our minds.

I see your point... but I'm sure there is more going on than he would reveal at that press conference.

 

The victims and their families cannot hear me.

Cheers
Labour

 

Something I realized in debating on PF: Universal agreement on ANY subject is impossible. In that sense, anything a person says can be construed to be "controversial", so politically speaking all you try to aim for is 50+1. If you get that, you get elected, your legislation passes, etc. I can only tell you what would constitute a responsible plan to me.

I admire what the Swiss have been able to do. They've made national army training compulsory and as such, every adult from 18-onwards is actually trained to use a firearm. Through that thorough training regime, they've made a much stronger nation and one that doesn't have the US gun problem. The Founders did call for a "well-regulated miltia" and that the people are a part of that militia.

And so, I would copy such a program, making the 'exception' that there are those who don't actually want to serve in the army. Those who don't can receive an exception, but still receive training. A: It makes for a deeper reserves core if we ever need it, B: It allows us to openly identify those who use guns, far better than a registry would.


Gone are the days where a gun user can privately stock up guns. His gun usage, his personality, etc is all at the behest of the State.

 

I agree, and we should petition Obama to stop it right now!!!

 

The more you hate the left and Obama, the more shootings you'll get. Apparently many of these guys are affected with paranoia, and the usual target of people's paranoia is the left " gun grabbing communist evil hierarchists ". Add to this the fact that people with legally owned weapons are right wingers for the most part.

 

Virtually EVERY gun was legally obtained at one point in time. But through theft many of them make their way into the hands of dimwits who use them to advance their agenda. I see that you are a seasoned liberal, pointing out things that MIGHT have happened if you and your fellow anti-constitutionalists had their way at disarming law abiding citizens, but that's just more wishful thinking on your part, with zero basis in facts, particularly after the fact. Personally, I think you people KNOW that you're full of it, and that no amount of regulation will ever stop the mentally deficient or deranged from committing their acts of atrocity. But you think it makes you LOOK like you care and are smarter than everyone else in your opinion. Sorry, but it makes you look just the opposite for not having put any thought into your authoritarian demands. Guns will still be here long after all of you feel-good irrational Obama lovers are gone.

 

Please explain how what I proposed disarms anyone? The only "point" you make is generalized nonsense. The facts are facts and you cannot change them. Approximately 75% of the mass shooters use guns that THEY have legally obtained. Your semantics notwithstanding.

Again you guys keep arguing against your mythological straw man of people wanting to take guns. It is obvious you either didn't read my posts either that or you don't care and only want to avail yourself of an opportunity to spew poison that it is non-responsive to the points I make.

 

Chris Rock once made a joke that you can have all the guns you want, but we're gonna make bullets $5,000 each. Same concept.

 

That is absolutely untrue. Knife skills are part of basic combat training. Here is only one example:

http://www.combatical.com/p/3-hand-held-weapons.html

No, that is not what I am arguing. Hence your strawman.

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Let me finish your post for you: ... "from a gun shop."

Background checks (which are already FEDERAL law, by the way) do nothing to prevent people who want guns from obtaining them. They only prevent people from obtaining them through legal means.

That is pure speculation on your part. We've had federal background checks through NICS since 1993. Background checks can only tell us if someone has a criminal history or has been adjudicated. They can not tell us someone's state of mind or predict their behavior.

You speak as if we don't perform background checks on gun buyers. We do.

More speculation. All you will accomplish here is putting more money in the hands of the gray marketeers who are only too happy to supply gang-bangers and would-be mass shooters. This fellow in Oregon DID pass the background checks. All your 21-day waiting period will do is delay the carnage by 21 days.

 

You ever hear of a place called Mexico?

 

Another leftist disaster that could have been prevented by citizens exercising their constitutional rights. Tyranny rules the day.

 

Liberals can stop the rhetoric that fuels these killers. Hatred of Christians, hatred of cops and the racial rhetoric is causing a big rise in violence.

 

Those background checks are really working, aren't they?

 

And how would you propose he does that without Congressional support? And if I remember correctly, its the absolutely corrupted GOP that fought for Citizens United to further whittle away at democracy.

 

I don't always agree with President Obama, but I agree with this point. After the Sandy Hooks shooting, there was a massive push by 91% of the American people to pass some basic gun regulations, and congress collectively failed to pass it. Even some Democrats contributed to the problem along with the usual 99% of Republicans in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. There are far fewer members of congress that are not to blame than are, so he addressed it clearly enough.

There are records on who voted against the gun regulation bill, so why waste the time calling them out by name. Some jobs are up to the American people, knowing who voted for what is one of them.

 

And not one of these would have stopped this shooting, or most of the others that have occurred. Just more feel-goodisms that do nothing, designed to help rich white liberals play out their fantasy of making a difference.

 

Yeah, like that went so well after Sandy Hooks, right? Like the GOP is really going to pass up their NRA bribe money and work with him? Get a clue!

 

Oh, so you just want to be comforted? A pat on the back and some kind words is all it takes to make it go away? That was exactly the point of his speech! Republicans "pray" for the families of the dead, and then go right on ignoring the problem!