Ten killed in shooting at Ore. community college

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  1. Pax Aeon

    Pax Aeon Well-Known Member

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    1) That would be your problem.

    2) Please, I'd love to see your database, but you haven't shown it.

    3) Please read this - Fact, Opinion, False Claim, or Untested Claim?

    4) Non-Sequitur

    5) ????

    6) See my other post for reply.

    So far, you're batting a zero.
     
  2. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Show me the definition. The IRA are right wing and executed many Christians. The IRA are conservative Irish Republican Army and were supported by American Republicans
     
  3. Pax Aeon

    Pax Aeon Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't it be just easier for you to man-up and say you have no evidence or proof to offer?
     
  4. Mr_Truth

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  5. Gatewood

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    Actually they tended to distinguish between Catholics and Protestants because they were freedom fighters and members of quasi military units. Or in other words they were fighting a war. They were evil in their methodologies, but it was still warfare. No doubt many leftists supported them but were perturbed that they were picky in regards to which Christians they killed.
     
  6. RP12

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    I linked it for another poster.. Perhaps you can admit you were wrong now "man up" as you say.

    - - - Updated - - -

    This forum is not the news.. Seems you are moving the goal posts again to defend your claims.
     
  7. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know, I was trying to get him/her to say it so I could have a good laugh.

    Plus I was of the opinion she was wrong, so therefore she's factually incorrect by her own argument.

    I'm surprised I didn't get called a racist in there somewhere.
     
  8. vman12

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    Yeah I think I'll stick with the FBI database instead of "violent crime is up because I think it is".
     
  9. Riot

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    Obama didn't mention gun control when the policemen were shot by progressives.
     
  10. fluer

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    Can you please provide to me link on sources from which you have get such data? How was it calculated? I do not think that it is true. Life is not a film. There is no such thug who will calmly let you to pull out the weapon...
     
  11. Wehrwolfen

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    Are you claiming that Obama White House controls the media and the Internet too? Shocking, Shocking, Nah. Can't be! Impossible!. Obama and the Progressive Socialist Left would never ever LIE, spread propaganda, or spread a lie to further their ideology and power. Whatever gave you that idea? (sarc)
     
  12. vman12

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    Goebbels would be proud.
     
  13. FreshAir

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    republicans did not talk about the 2nd amendment and everyone should own a gun then either... come on

    mass shootings seem to be when both sides let er rip
     
  14. RPA1

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    So, because of an old fairy tale like 'Murphy's Law' you condone the disarming of law abiding citizens? What kind of logic is that? Murphy's Law is just and excuse to bury one's head in the sand if you ask me.

    Go tell that to the families of the other 8 innocent souls that met their deaths at the hands of this sub human.

    NRA members are the 'good guys with guns' to think they are killers equal to this piece of human debris is insulting and wrong headed.
     
  15. tomfoo13ry

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    Read the CDC's review of the literature on the subject. Defensive gun uses range from 500,000 per year to 3,000,000 per year depending on the source data used. Whether you prefer to believe the high side or the low side, the basic premise remains - "Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals..." They also found that incidents in which a gun was utilized by the crime victim resulted in a lower victim-injury rate compared to the victims who didn't utilize a firearm. So, while you are correct that life is not a movie, the reality does not coincide with your notions where guns are all-powerful weapons in the hands of criminals but utterly useless in the hands of non-criminals.
     
  16. Bowerbird

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    I love the fact that so many of the gun lovers are also dyed in the wool conspiracy theorists who think the government is out to get them - which is hardly a contender for a mental health award but who are ALSO the ones blaming the government for not stopping the "mentally ill" shooting people up
     
  17. Tahuyaman

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    Actually, contrary to popular belief, this school was not a gun free zone. According to the local news, there were some students actually identified as legally carrying a concealed pistol on campus at the time of the shootings.
     
  18. vman12

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    Yes because the police, BATFE, and other government organizations have never done things like kill people for no reason, sell weapons to drug cartels, burn women and children alive, put youtubers in jail for muslim cartoons, passed legislation to take away our rights, illegally search/seize/wiretap, confiscate guns during an emergency, or act without congresses approval, pass secret bills....

    I could go on but that hits some of the high points.
     
  19. Tahuyaman

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    That is an inaccurate comment.
     
  20. fluer

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    When I ve said about "life" I meant my own expirience. Criminals have much less hesitations than usual people...

    Ok I ve red CDC's review. But such statistic is the first side of the medal (howevet it is questionable fr my point of view - how it was calculated). Lets get another view at the problem. Do you really think that there is no direct connection between amount of weapons in the country and amount of crimes with dead end?;)
     
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    I love the fact that so many gun grabbers are also dyed in the wool blind to think government, that is governments that have killed more people than anything else, will always just stay warm and fuzzy - which is hardly a contender for a mental health award but who are ALSO the ones blaming an inanimate object for crime.
     
  22. vman12

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    You don't have to shoot someone in order for a weapon to be effective. Most defensive uses of a firearm result in no shots fired.

    There is a connection between the amount of weapons in the country and amount of crimes. That connection is about 350,000,000 guns to about 7,000 unjustified uses resulting in death.

    Percentage wise, that's a lot of zero's after the decimal point.
     
  23. CRUE CAB

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    Wow, how wrong can you get.
    Do you even know how hard it is to Baker Act someone no a days.
    Who's fault is that? The NRA? Nope.
     
  24. tomfoo13ry

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    You say you find "how it was calculated" to be questionable. How do you mean. The CDC paper was a review of ALL of the available literature. It wasn't just one single study so what calculations are you talking about? I get the feeling that you would have dismissed any information that didn't conform to your preconceived notions.

    Well gun ownership in the US is at a record high while violent crime is at a record low...

    Also, I couldn't help but notice your location, if this causation that you speak of were true, how do you explain the fact that the murder rate in Russia is higher than the US rate while there are more guns in the hands of civilians in the US by a long shot?
     
  25. Micketto

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    It's OK, quite a few of you here are completely obsessed with 'ole GZ.

    I was just wondering how many times you had to be corrected before you admitted you were wrong.
     

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