How do we prevent these mass shootings?

How many mass shooting occurred in Japan last year or this year.
Or even mass killings?
How about the ever loving Israel?

 

Thank-you for reinforcing the point I was making

 

You think we in USA are freer than Japan? Sweden?
BTW, I own guns for hunting purposes.

 

We do need more. That's what made the wild wild west so safe in the 1800's. Yes?

 

What? That you don't know anything about guns anything about gun owners? Sorry that was MY point.

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What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?

 

Which country has more mass shooting than the USA?

 

Do you not have a clue about anything you said?? I asked which country is freer? Who has more mass shooting than the USA? Is there one? Are they freer than us? Are there countries just as free as us, Japan perhaps, that don't have theses mass shootings?

 

Way to so completely miss my point that I didn't have a clue what the hell you were going on about. All of those countries in spite everything they can do still have mass killings. Almost all of them have populations that are far more ethnically homogeneous than ours and are older into the bargain. Please note most mass killers fall into the 20-30 age range. And that group group is more numerous in this country than it is in most of Europe due to our younger age especially among new arrivals.

 

Guess I'm not really sure what you point here is.

The OP question was "How do you keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill folks who have parents or friends with guns?"

I offered my opinion to this question with some examples to illustrate my opinion.

 

The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto managed to hold off the Waffen SS for about two weeks, so don't say it can't be done, but the history still gives the lie to the idea that an armed populace is a good defense against tyrants. Brave Jews are a good case in point. Once they decided to revolt they got the guns from their oppressors, and revolutionaries always will. You need stout hearts to fight for freedom, weapons are irrelevant if you have that.

The reason Stalingrad and the whole Eastern Front had so many excellent Russian snipers is that the Soviet high schools had a very strong and thoroughly communist backed organization which resembled nothing more than the former youth branches of our own NRA, before they became shills for the gun makers. Russian youth in the 30s grew up as familiar with rifles as any squirrel hunting American good ole boy ever was. Proof positive to me that the time to defend freedom is before you need a rifle to do it with and that once you do need one, you've lost already.

 

To prevent more shooting raise taxes. Isn't that the answer to all progressive's problems. That way no will be able to afford a gun.

 

You were offering solutions to make us safer in the USA. Is there a country that has more mass shooting than the USA?
If not, why? Why are we so unique? IMO, I think we are unique and have way more shootings than any other free country.
So why, if I'm correct, do we have so many more than other countries?

 

I already answered that question...

 

These incidents are disturbing
But are they a significant risk for you or me?

I have not seen any convincing aproach to deal wih the problem

Colbert was thoughtful on the topic imo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Brg5ChOTaZM

 

Yes, they are a significant risk.

It is true that many, many more people are killed by guns annually than are killed in these incidents, but most of them are killed either by family/friends or because they were in a dangerous area. I don't have or avoid violent or armed family/friends and know how to avoid dangerous areas. These incidents take place entirely at random and there is little I, or anyone else, can do to avoid one, so, yes, they constitute about the most significant risk to my and my loved one's lives there is at this point

I have seen several convincing approaches to deal with the problem here, but we seem to have many people who believe that their and their loved one's "freedom" to be killed by some nut for no reason whatsoever outweighs their, and my, ability to lead a safe life. I think this belief is manifestly insane, can anyone tell me how it's not?

 

Because you're advocating to remove someone's "freedom" to defend themselves and their families from those "crazy nuts". You seem incapable, due to your left-wing perspective, of understanding that those crazy nuts are going to be able to find a gun anyway in a country with over 300 million guns in existence. You're giving them a target rich environment to commit their crimes, where nobody can possibly fight back. A nationwide "gun free zone", which is a concept that shows its idiocy, time and time again.

Ever wonder why most of these shootings take place in "gun free zones"? Or are you too comfortable with your ideology to bother challenging it?

 

a. they don't most of them take place in places where guns are permitted.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/01/conservative-media-use-oregon-community-college/205924

b. you're making the assumption that these shooters are "rational actors" when they're killing massive numbers of people for no reason whatsoever.

c. And then you're assuming that my 7 year old daughter or 90 year old grandma should rely upon "packing heat" as a better protection than more comprehensive/effective/stricter laws to keep guns out of the hands of "bad guys".

That last one really gets to me, it seems that the shooters may not be the only ones who clearly aren't acting like "rational actors" here.

 

According to your blog, relying on data sourced by Mother Jones. Oh boy. I'm convinced.

Not at all, they are not rational, which is why I would like a gun to protect myself and my family from them. It may not prevent him from doing what he is going to do, but it gives me a chance that I would not have if you had your way.

Those two people you cited would likely not be carrying a weapon. However, other people around them might be, and might be able to stop one of these crazies when they decide to snap.

 

If you think we cannot affect the dismal record of gun death we have in this society, forget talking to me about your thoughts/ideas.

I'm not buying that nihilistic foolishness.

 

Yes, it's very convenient to downplay the horror of these regular mass-shootings by reducing their significance to mere statistics. Every single needless death, mutilation or injury caused by a gun is a statistic-and there are tens of thousands of these 'statistics' every year. Shouldn't Americans be embarrassed by this? Instead all I see is complacency and the attitude that, 'well, these killings are going to happen anyway so what's the point of trying to do anything?' Any sane observer might conclude that America isn't interested in either the huge problem of out of control gun ownership, nor the ease with which guns can be obtained in order to further these atrocities. No, all they'll hear are desperate whinings about 'freedom' and anachronistic 'rights'.

 

they said guns do not kill. people kill.

by their idea,

drugs do not hurt people too.

 

How does NOT owning a gun mean you have fewer freedoms???

Certainly Aussies and Brits do not feel our freedoms "restricted"

If guns are so important to freedom - why not make them mandatory?

 

This is the best summation of the issue I have seen so far



What are they afraid of? The Australian experience showed that anyone truly committed to being responsible gun owner continued to be a responsible gun owner- albeit with some annoying red tape but small price for freedom from mass shootings

 

Again we already have. The murder rate in this country is down forty percent over the last 20 years. It would be lower still if our big city mayors would quit screwing with the cops and let them do their jobs.

 

What like supporting legislation that will track guns? OR maybe it is about trying to prevent straw sales?