Saud committing war crimes in Yemen

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Al Qaeda, and the Saud's that were supporting Bin Laden were Wahhabi's.

    I'm sure like in many different religious denominations there are extremes. The one's you encountered were the "docile" ones. That does not change the fact that some Wahhabi are extremists.
     
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    First you claim that, "iran overthrew a democratically elected Yemen government."

    Now you change it to, "iran is supplying the Houthis with weapons."

    That's called moving the goalposts. It's what dishonest people do when their original claim is proven false and they want to retain some semblance of credibility by attempting to change their position without admitting they were wrong.

    So, when you wrongly claimed that Iran overthrew a democratically elected government, were lying or just speaking from ignorance?

    Your opinions are not facts, no matter how much you wish they were.

    Just for starters, Saudi Arabia is the largest exporter of Wahhabi terrorism on the planet. Fifteen out of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, as was Bin Laden.

    How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism

    So, while it may be your opinion that Iran is a more troublesome bad actor than Saudi Arabia, it is not even close to a fact, even though you really, really wish it were.

    What's anti-American about a policy of neutrality and free trade? Isn't it more anti-American for people like you to support Wahhabi terrorists in their attempt to take over Syria?

    Again, the hypocrisy is all yours. I recognize that the central governments of places like Iran, Syria, and Russia are authoritarian, autocratic, and oppressive. But, unlike you, I don't hypocritically condemn them for it while attempting to justify similar behavior when it originates with a western government or one of their allies. You're the hypocritical phony who is pretending like the central governments of the west and their allies are not "bad actors" who engage in abusive, corrupt practices. I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy by exposing your blatant double-standard.
     
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    AQ is Deobandi.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As in - a denomination of Wahhabism ? Why are you flogging this dead horse ?

    Same Scat different pile
    http://www.islamicpluralism.org/2206/fatwa-fanatics-the-deobandi-wahhabi-lust-for

    Al Qaeda are Wahhabi and supported by Wahhabi extremists.
     
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    No.. Deobandi was born in British India and then Pakistan..

    The al Saud is very opposed to Communism.. They always have been .. That's why they assisted the US in the war in Afghanistan against the Soviets, but the blowback against them has been extraordinary and they won't do proxy wars again. So they haven't supported AQ or Bin Laden in more than 20 years... yet, the insta pundits still accuse them in kneejerk fashion.

    Most of what you read in the press is by people who don't know a thing about Saudi Arabia or its long track record as a US ally.. They just quote each other. .. and even the best informed never spent more than a long week-end in KSA.

    You cannot ASSUME that Saudi Arabia or any of the Gulf States would support AQ or ISIS.. because both are a bigger threat to them than they are to the US...

    I grew up around Wahhabis.. They are not radicals.. They are conservatives, and they value a peaceful, civil society. You can't learn anything about KSA or understand them by listening to the talking heads because they don't know either and simply operate on assumptions.

    The Saudis can't have a lawless, failed state on their border with the bad guys trying to control both the Straits of Hormuz and the Bab al Mandab. They can't allow Iran a foothold on the Arabian Peninsula... and that would be disastrous for the US as well.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Saudi Support for AQ was happening right up until 911.

    AQ is Wahhabi ...

    "Stephen Schwartz is a senior policy analyst with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies based in Washington, DC. As a journalist, he covered the Balkans in the 1990s for the San Francisco Chronicle. His latest book is The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa'ud from Tradition to Terror (Doubleday, 2002). He spoke to the Middle East Forum in New York on February 27, 2003"

    http://www.meforum.org/535/saudi-arabia-and-the-rise-of-the-wahhabi-threat
     
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    The SAG buys weapons from the US and they share intelligence on all these radical groups.. They have for over 15 years.

    The Saudi track record over the past 85 years speaks for itself.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Logistics and stuff like that. The US has been involved with Yemen leadership for some time.
     
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    You are probably right about that. If the Iranian Alliance holds sway over Iran of course, and Yemen and Syria and Iraq it looks to me like they could shut off both the Persian Gulf and the South Entrance to the Red Sea.

    Do you think it is in our national interests to protect Saudi Arabia and prevent them from being effectively blockaded?

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    Swartz is NOT an expert on KSA.. He's a Jew born in the US.. and he was a Communist until 1984.

    Then he founded a Trotksy group and became a Sufi in 1997.. He's a fraud.
     
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    for whom asking how USA back this savage war agianist Yemen,

    the support came from
    1- without USA acceptance , Saudia Can't issue this unfair war
    2- in the first day of war, Obama talked that USA gives the full logistic support for saudia in this war
    3- also we can't ignore the intelligence cooperation between those two countries

    also there is a point i want to highlight here that , Actually USA doesn't wish Houthis to be beaten by Saudi because of differences between Wahabis/houthis thoughts(each of one see the other as enemy) so always usa keep pushing saidia and theirs allies to estaplish negotiations with houthis, while saudia arabia can finish this war in few months if we take into account between saudia abilities an
    d houthis
     
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    AD Hom aside .. If it looks like a Duck, walks like a duck and Quacks like a duck ... its a duck.

    The Saud was supporting Bin Laden ... big time.

    New Saudi King Tied to Al Qaeda, Bin Laden and Islamic Terrorism

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/new-saudi-king-tied-911-bin-laden.html

    Not surprising - Who didn't know ?

    Guilty as charged.

    Your knowledge of what the Saud is up to is not good. You tried to claim that the Saud was not funding extremists in Syria which is demonstrably false.
     
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    If you are a con man and a fraud of course you would write about KSA and Wahhabis because MOST Americans area so ignorant about both that they would believe anything.. Schwartz has NEVER been to KSA .. Never talked to any kings.. or anyone in the SAG.. and YOU are too smart to fall for his dreck.

    So "demonstrate" that the Saudis are funding extremists in Syria.. I'll wait.

    Which of King Salman's sons knew about 9-11? I know several of them.
     
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    Every advanced weapon system they have was made by a western corporation. All the satellites are made by western corporations. All the logistical models they use were developed by western corporations. Without western assistance, they would have nothing.

    Why would they do that?

    Absolutely not. We are not responsible for the security of foreign countries. US tax dollars should stay in America, where they belong.
     
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    for whom asking how USA back this savage war agianist Yemen,

    the support came from
    1- without USA acceptance , Saudia Can't issue this unfair war
    2- in the first day of war, Obama talked that USA gives the full logistic support for saudia in this war
    3- also we can't ignore the intelligence cooperation between those two countries

    also there is a point i want to highlight here that , Actually USA doesn't wish Houthis to be beaten by Saudi because of differences between Wahabis/houthis thoughts(each of one see the other as enemy) so always usa keep pushing saidia and theirs allies to estaplish negotiations with houthis, while saudia arabia can finish this war in few months if we take into account between saudia abilities an
    d houthis
     
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    Yemen continues to harbor a number of Al Qaeda operatives and has refused to extradite several known militants on the FBI’s list of most wanted terrorists. Three known Al Qaeda operatives (Jamal al Badawi, Fahd al Quso, and Jaber A. Elbaneh), sought under the FBI’s Rewards for Justice program, are in Yemen. Before his incarceration, Elbaneh was free in Sana'a despite his conviction for his involvement in the 2002 attack French tanker Limburg and other attacks against Yemeni oil installations. In 2003, U.S. prosecutors charged Elbaneh in absentia with conspiring to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization.

    You can bomb Yemeni oil installations and still remain free in the capital? Seems like these are tough folks to help.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Yemen_relations#Recent_history
     
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    We have already been there and done that with Syria ?

    Who cares which of his son's. Quit being obtuse. There are currently two lawsuits " one of which is being allowed to proceed by the SCOTUS" against Saud for support of Bin Ladin.

    Time to take head out of sand.
     
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    Because oil prices are plunging hurting Russia very badly, and Saudi Arabia is pumping oil like mad and a boatload of Iranian oil is ready to come on the market now that sanctions are collapsing.
    That was our national stance from George Washington to Woodrow Wilson and since both political parties became Wilsonian, we certainly seem to spend all of our time in everyone else's business. The constant state of war has grown the Federal Government in ways never dreamed of by the Framers. But, what you are talking about is a very big change.

    How would the world be different if we would have stayed out of WWI?

    No Stalin, No Hitler, No Holocaust, No Nuking of Japan, No CIA Coup in Iran, No Castro Crisis, No Vietnam, No Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, No rise of AQ, No bubble burst that brought on the Great Depression.

    Clearly this guy thinks we would have been better off if WW wouldn't have led us into WW1.

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...at-if-u-s-had-stayed-out-of-wwi/#.VibYkdKrTIU
     
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    Why is it that those most closely connected to the 911 terrorists are our best-est buddies ?

    And those who are the enemies of Al Qaeda are the one's we attack ?

    Irritating to say the least.
     
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    Yemen has such a long history of violence and instability that their oil business has really never evolved beyond infancy. The country needs the money badly, but production is worse than ever.

    And, three years ago 500 factories closed down.
    Every rebel group has found a home in Yemen.. Its a very bad situation.
     
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    I have no idea. It may be that our foreign policy is being run by a bunch of cleptocrat morons. Lots of folks seem to think we need an "Establishment" candidate to run the show, but those folks, from both parties, well, try to devise a scenario where they could have screwed up worse, and that goes for both parties.
     
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    Six of the hijackers remain unidentified because the were using fake ID papers.. but Yemen, Pakistan, Egypt and 1 from Kuwait... are certain..

    The Saudis didn't fund 9-11.. Bush knows it..

    The 28 redacted pages will prove it.

    9-11 was payback for the 1998 bombings in Afghanistan and Sudan... so it probably was AQ.
     
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    I did not say the Saud funded 911 ??
     
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    Why don't you explain to the forum at large how you "proved" the first comment was false, and then show how the 2 statements are somehow "contradictory". Good luck sweetie. I know you're not a strong poster but if you want to make it personal - as you flail away like a child at a pinata - then I hope you've got a lot more in your barrels than the blanks you are shooting here. Weak, really, really weak...
     

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