Challenge for Christians: disprove evolution and a 6000 year old earth

I respectfully ask the Christians here, who believe that man emerged from Adam and Eve, to disprove evolution and prove that Adam and Eve is where it started.

I also urge the Christians here to demonstrate why carbon dating of rocks, fossils etc which show that the earth is hundreds of millions of years old are wrong... and why instead the earth is only 6000 years old.

I will happily become a Christian if evolution can be disproved and carbon dating can be invalidated.

In the absence of proof to the contrary, I will continue to condemn Christianity and indeed all religion as a figment of man's imagination.

 

If God is all powerful and the creator of the Universe, then God can create a working mature Universe. That cannot be proven, it cannot be disproven.

And evolution must be proven, not disproven. How did life begin? How did one species evolve into a new species with a different number of chromosomes then the original, and when that first new individual with a new number of chromosomes appear, how did it reproduce? Why aren't new species evolving today? Evolution is a hypothesis, its only treated with kid gloves because its the only real proposition atheists have.

But even if you prove evolution, it still does not disprove God.

Your thread has been repeated innumerable times in the forum, search for one of the old ones and read through it for all the arguments. And from those past experiences, and your post, its clear that no matter what arguments are made that Christianity cannot be proven to your satisfaction.

 

Bill Hicks covered this almost 25 years ago:

[video=youtube;YzKV8oaI9V8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKV8oaI9V8[/video]

 

Why.....?????
Serious, I'm thru and thru ATHEISTS.
Their belief is their belief. They do not chain you up and starve you till you believe.
"People" like Y O U give all other atheists a bad name!
Go "condemn" yourself.....into a state mental institution!

 

Except that in doing so he apparently would have deliberately placed misleading information such as carbon dating, or allowed Satan to do it. In that case, he is reducing the odds of intelligent, critical thinkers from getting into heaven. Punishing somebody for being smart or knowledgeable (with eternal hellfire) is not what a benevolent god would do. Implying such a thing seems more along the lines of the powerful trying to use religion to control people.

Evolution isn't really about how life began. It's about how species change over time in response to selective pressures. It's not strictly in conflict with Christianity, but the literal wording of the bible is in conflict with what we know about the evolution of species.

A quick google search would save you embarrassment:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/03/10/2820949.htm

Not all gods, but certainly a literal interpretation of the bible, and logic alone can dispatch Christianity.

The real question is how anybody buys into it to begin with. It seriously makes sense to you that god sent his son to change his own rules and forgives people for being jerks just for believing that? It makes sense to you that god would prepare a "paradise" just for thinking that, and make everybody else suffer for eternity? Meanwhile, if you look at the real world, you see nothing that doesn't align with a natural explanation other than the "where did everything come from" question - which god doesn't help to answer because then where did god come from?

 

Your entire reply is based on "The Big If" and is therefore useless in actual debate. It is also abundantly clear your understanding of Evolution and science would prevent you from creating valuable discussion to begin with. As this thread attempts to deal with the Biblical accuracy of geology and Abiogenesis it might help if you at least had some idea what these things are.

 

I categorise belief in Jesus, the Fairy tooth mother, Santa and Allah in the same way... little more than a fantasy, since none come with any proof.

On the other hand evolution can be proven -- Adam and Eve did not suddenly appear!! Moreover, the fact that the earth is more than the bible's 6000 years (!!) can be proven with simple carbon dating.

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Bible belters do not go near evolution for fear of losing their belief.

 

Case closed. Christians have little credibility, since science destroys their beliefs.

 

I will certainly give you that, regarding the "history" and "miraculous" aspects of the faith. The Sermon on the Mount, however, regardless of who wrote it, remains one of the greatests essays ever written on ethical human relations. If only more people who profess to be "Christians" stuck with Matthew 5-7 and ignored the rest...

 

Christians must be taught evolution and geology from a young age, in order to stop their belief in fairy tales and bearded fellows called Jesus.

 

That's not an answer, that's not even intelligent.

 

Everything about God is the "big if". If God could be proven or disproven, this debate would be over. What you are doing is limiting yourself and the debate to your terms in the hope of avoiding the real debate.

 

Meh. I was raised in a fundamentalist church (Church of Christ - think DEEP Southron Baptist with acapella music) and never bought into it. My Sunday school teacher knew I was trouble when I asked her why there were two different creation stories in Genesis with two different sequences of creation, and two different versions of the creation of women. I guess she wasn't expecting a ten year old to have actually read the source material. Even worse, I had to show her the two different versions in the book itself.

 

what is the 'real debate', please? and does it pertain to all the gods (as it must, if it's to be as real as you seem to want it)?

 

Wrong. It is a very intelligent and direct answer to the Creationist stupidity addressed in the OP, and your ridiculously desperate assertion that GAWD created the universe already old. Bill Hicks immolated that bit of stupidity back in the 80's with the bit of mocking satire that I posted. The fact that you don't like it doesn't change that. It does, however, add a certain level of comedic schadenfreude to your refusal to acknowledge simple logic...

[video=youtube;tYwV0fqEQrw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwV0fqEQrw[/video]

 

perfect example of how unprepared they are for a world which respects religion on merit alone. yet they never stop to consider that this is entirely down to the hubris and arrogance of the church, in its assumption that no one would ever dare to ask questions. they've relied so completely on forced indoctrination, that they never bothered to make sure the foundations were sound.

your experience at sunday school is a massive embarrassment and indictment on the faith, and yet it's STILL happening in 2015. one of my kids attends her school's weekly voluntary scripture class as she's very interested in anthropology and culture - and she frequently comes home with stories of a similar nature. and since most of the class is atheist (not enough actual Christians in a high school of 1200 kids to form even a single class), there are plenty of opportunities to highlight the teacher's lack of answers!

on further thought ... how awful to think that a grown woman would consider an innocent child - and a child for whom truth clearly mattered - 'trouble'. I can't think of a better example of how corrupting that religion is. The need to demonise dissent evidently outweighs their humanity. putrid.

 

I get your point....yet I wish to point out the obvious.

Thousands have sked for anything that can possibly show this "God" (pick one) to be actual...yet, there has never been so much as a smidgeon of anything beyond personal opinion put forward. Many however have become defensive and asked for data to deny it...then been explained and shown the impossibilities within the man made literature that defines it.

This unfortunately leads to accusations of attack and ends all debate.

Thus do I tend to avoid discussion with the devout when I see it coming.

 

Not knowing how life begins is a major gap in understanding life processes. It does not invalidate the theory of evolution, but it certainly adds uncertainty.

Madeira Island is a before and after snapshot - it gives no indication of what happened over that 600 years. A handful of 40 chromosome mice are deposited on Madeira Island 600 years ago, today there are 6 species of mice with between 22 and 30 chromosomes. Were the European mice the only mice there at the time? Where other mice deposited on the island later (after all 600 years ago someone deposited mice there, to claim nobody else ever over 600 years deposited mice there is a real stretch)? Why aren't there any 40 chromosome mice today (that hints the original mice did not survive at all)? Madeira isn't proof, its a question without answers (yet).

On the last paragraph, you are questioning God's motives and objectives. No human can fully explain Gods motives. That's like asking an ant to explain a humans motives and behavior.

Life here is a test, the test is whether a person accepts Jesus or not. Why God set it up that way is not clear but that understanding is not necessary to determine that God exists and Jesus is the only way.

 

This is a troll thread true and through...Regardless, I dont think the percentage of young earth creationists is very large and I highly doubt most Christians even care. Taking the Bible literally would make you a fundamentalist and most are not. My belief is that most Christians use the Bible as a guide book to live by and not to describe the physical world.

 

The real debate is "is Christianity true", and that's not what this OP really wants to discuss because it involves actually learning with an open mind - not accepting, but learning - about Christianity. That means you have to run the risk of honestly evaluating the issue and possibly finding your current belief is wrong.

Remember this OP is about Christianity, not religion, and not "all the Gods". If Christianity is false, then that does not mean that God does not exist or that other religions are false.

 

I watched the entire video. Its sarcastic, not scientific. It does not evaluate anything, it simply assumes the answer and ridicules the Christian belief. Nothing more.

 

The more I see people kneel and pray before Jesus, their Lord, the more I pity them for their gullibility.

It should be made compulsory for all church goers to be taught about evolution and geology before being allowed to enter their fairytale building.

Churches who admit poorly educated folks who know nothing of evolution and geology should be fined $50,000 per uneducated member. The fine should be reinvested into better education at schools, in order to help stop more young people being suckered into the lie of Christianity.

 

I would say that not just thousands but everyone asks about God at many points in life. Some of those people will come to Christianity through personal experience, some through study of the Bible and other sources, some through a combination of both. For some people its a sudden moment, for others it takes years of consideration. But there is no single item that will convince everyone, and there is no single objective definitive item that proves Christianity. That's why faith is such a large part of it, and why Christianity is an individual decision and only an individual decision. Nobody can make it for anybody else.

But even though I cannot prove Christianity to you, nothing anyone can say will change my belief that Christianity is the one true religion. My personal experiences will have little if any meaning to you (both of us being anonymous strangers) but do carry weight to people who know me in real life and can weigh my faith against my accomplishments and experiences. That's why if you want to truly, honestly evaluate Christianity, then you have to find a Christian you will respect as a person and talk to him, read the Bible to gain understanding (not acceptance, but understanding), ask questions - particularly the hard ones.

In this forum, when I find honest questions (even the hard questions) about the New Testament, I do what I can to answer them honestly and factually.

 

A couple of years later another Bible class teacher tried to put forth the maxim that there was no conflict between creationism and Big Bang theory and/or Evolution because the sequence of events listed in Genesis mirror that of both theories.

Really? Which version? The first one, where God created planets stocked with plants before He even created stars? Or the second one, where God creates man first, and then plants and animals because He thought man would be lonely and/or hungry? And since He had already decided on the two genders thing for almost everything else, He apparently forgot horny as well (I was 13, and couldn't BELIEVE He forgot horny). Not very omniscient, if you ask me.

A thirteen year old with a 130+ IQ and no respect for authority is a fundamentalist's worst effin' nightmare... lol

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Which version of Creation in the book of Genesis do you believe is the absolute God's honest truth? View attachment 39050

 

Cool...can I ask you a question in an attempt to better understand the mindset you have? I do not mean this in any way as an attack on the Bible, your faith, or your God.

Does the impossibility of human re-animation come into play when evaluating the Jesus story, or is it necessary to simply accept a miracle?