What Happened Before the Big Bang?

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  1. Pax Aeon

    Pax Aeon Well-Known Member

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    Proof? However to reply to what you said;

    1 - Could the Universe have expanded faster than the speed of light at the Big Bang? (Intermediate)

    2 - Cosmos: The Big Bang - Just so you know, I'm speaking colloquially insofar that most people see a cosmos and universe as being interchangeable words.It's those same people who ask;

    3 - Where was the center of the Big Bang?

    But I digress. Can you explain the the topic question, What Happened Before the Big Bang? CERN has a reply (and it has to do with the "Higgs" particle) - A Very Short Introduction to Nothing
     
  2. AlphaOmega

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    thats what Im saying
     
  3. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I cant explain what happened before the big bang...if I could I would be a gazzillionaire off of my book deals alone
     
  4. dairyair

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    Certainly not remotely an expert or novice on the topic. But for there to be that much energy to have caused a 'big bang', there must've been outside energy to form it.
     
  5. AlphaOmega

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    Most physicists dont think it will end in a big rip because as the space between galaxies increases so does the dark energy which means the most likely end event is a deep freeze when the stars finally run out of fuel. Dark energy is still a virtual unknown so who knows.
     
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    There was no beginning to the Universe because the Universe (time, space, matter) has always existed in one form or another. There is ZERO evidence there was ever a Big Bang. Scientists have done a horrific disservice to humanity by using the term 'Big Bang,' because in reality what they are referring to is the singularity of the Universe which is really only named as such because we don't have the tools to see before it.

    Think about it like this; If the Universe is expanding, let's go backwards. The Universe was once one inch long and one second long. Then there was a time it was half an inch long and half a second long. This does and will go on forever since every length and time can be cut in half for infinity. The Universe is eternal !
     
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    Thread: What Happened Before the Big Bang?

    We do not know, and anyone that says they do is either lying or insane.
     
  8. Daniel Light

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    What happened before the Big Bang?

    Exactly 10 minutes before the Big Bang, I remember I was having coffee and donuts while sitting at the control board
    of the UniMat 5000 Particle Distributor (I know, it's against company safety policy) and "something" tipped over the coffee cup ...
    after that, I recall a bright light ... not much else.

    Sorry. I've notified the proper authorities for clean up. I'm sure they'll be here shortly. Until then, go about your
    daily business.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Schnectady
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Neat, Zeno's Paradox in reverse. However, wouldn't that really just indicate that the Universe doesn't exist? just like Zeno proved that motion was impossible while walking across the room and we haven't (I hope) all just vanished in a puff of logic.
     
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    Due to a lack of technology, Zeno didn't realize that motion is possible because objects can effect each other if in close enough range without touching.

    For example, if a person punch's your face, he has an infinite number of halves to cross before he is to make contact with your face. Yet, there comes a point where you feel pain from the punch because the energy around his fist and your face is so close that energy creates the physical reaction on your face (my hypothesis).

    I use this to explain that motion is NOT an illusion but is constant. To bring it back to the Universe, I find no reason to believe it doesn't exist - and for that matter it does and is eternal in one form or another.
     
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    The only "answers" we humans have for this question are SSWAGs (Scientific Serious Wild Ass Guesses) and SWAGs (Serious wild ass guesses). IOW, there are those that attempt to answer the questions thru scientific discipline and those that attempt to answer the questions thru dogmatic faith.

    Is the universe eternal?

    For all human intents and purposes it sure as hell is considering a human live span of 80 years and the age of the universe at 13.5 Billion or so.

    What came before the big bang?

    For all anyone knows some mega sapience extended one of its manipulators into the "pond of creation" and voila a new universe was created where there was nothing before.

    So far science has managed to expand our observational envelope to a few hundred thousand years after the big bang, when photon decoupling occurred. Work at scientific understanding of our universe and existence continues apace.

    So far religion has managed to answer all the questions a human could possibly have about ones existence fueled almost entirely by the powers of faith and fear. Work at theological understanding of our universe and existence is essentially dogmatically complete.
     
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    That is because of the flawed legacy of the scientific method. By limiting itself to the observable, it limits science and scientific thinking to what we consider true based on our own observations. One of the more interesting theories I have heard goes along these lines: Most people think of the universe like a balloon. Everything that is exists inside that balloon, but theoretically the universe is more like the surface of the balloon itself--everything that is in it is part of the exterior of the balloon and is whether the balloon grows or shrinks. The theory is supported by the consistency of background noise in the universe in all direction. The theory, however, is limited by the fact that we are stuck in one position in relation to the universe so we don't know if what we observe here would be true millions of light years away.
     
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    The Big Squeeze?
     
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    Before the Big Bang...I think re-runs of M*A*S*H, or maybe the evening news. Now that it 's syndicated, it depends.
     
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    I do, I bet it was quiet.
     
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    Well, I heard that the Big Bang split off two Universes one where time is running in the opposite direction as the other.

    Or to be more specific, each Universe sees time running normally, but from each Universe's perspective the other one lies in the past of the Big Bang.
     
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    How do we know the Big Bang happened? In 1929, Edwin Hubble observed that the universe was expanding from the red shift in the light coming from distant galaxies and then later Georges LemaƮtre, using Hubble's observations, figured out through the red shift, that the further away an object was, the faster it was traveling. It wasn't hard then to come up with a mathematical model of where the stars and galaxies where billions of years ago and go back to the point where all matter would be literally occupying the same space. This is known as the singularity and it is the point where all known physics breaks down. Using the mathematical model, scientists figured out that in the first few seconds after the singularity, the universe expanded at an incredible rate, faster and bigger than even the biggest explosion observed. Scientists have dubbed this expansion, the Big Bang.
     
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    You mean, what happened after nothing decided to magically blow up and create something? No idea! It's much easier (and logical) to believe in God than it is to believe in the Big Bang.
     
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    What does the exact location matter? There are two base arguments that I know of for the Big Bang.

    1) Something was created from a previous nothing.

    2) Energy is omnipresent and can neither be created nor destroyed but it can change forms. Based upon this, energy prexisted the Big Bang thus some of the energy changed into matter thus the Big Bang. How did this happen exactly is unknown, but the Super Collider in Europe will perhaps one day be able to definitively answer that.

    Dark matter may be omnipresent and is theorized to be responsible for 90% of the gravity in the known universe. With that said, what we know is likely dwarfed by what we have yet to learn. Even better, future answers to today's questions will likely lead to new and even more perplexing questions.
     
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    If the universe has always existed then how do you account for its current expansion?
     
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    Keep that in mind when a falling object hits you like a twig or a rain drop. How would you account for gravity?
     
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    The Holy Bible itself has evidence for God's existence, but I doubt that you would accept that as valid evidence.
     
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    Well said. For all we know Einstein was wrong, or perhaps was only partially right.
     
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    hahah that's great!
     

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