Germany: 87 year old Grandmother incarcerated....

for denying the Holocaust and saying Auschwitz was 'just a labour camp'

S C R E A M, WORLD, S C R E A M !!!

This has gone too far!


Her name is Ursula Haverbeck, a very courageous Lady!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ocaust-saying-Auschwitz-just-labour-camp.html

 

Regardless of her age, she was sentenced for Sedition. Germany has a strict law with consequences for those who deny the Holocaust.

 

I agree its gone too far. At 87 they are not going to change her mind and who is to say at her age she might not recall things differently. I mean she could be suffering from dementia. Then again when did it become illegal for people to question the facts? People who never witnessed something should always test the evidence.

 

The woman is a vocal right wing extremist and virulent Holocaust denier and there is nothing wrong with her mind. She is also a friend of a daughter of Himmler and her husband had quite the background. In short, she is quite close to being a Nazi. She has zero remorse for her "take on things". In Germany, this kind of thing is taken very seriously, for obvious reasons. Taken altogether and given her age, some might be inclined to give her a pass. I'm not so inclined.....

Having said this, we're talking Germany here, I'm quite sure the facility where she will be held will be quite comfortable. We're not talking state prison here....

 

All I can say is the Germans are nuts! Merkel is the Overnut!
Shame on Germany!
Don't forget, she was only 16 or 17 years old when the war was over. A young teenager, what did she possibly know about the concentration camps? From what I have read and heard the German population had no idea Jews got gassed in the camps. BUT... if you are the loser, you have to believe what the victors tell you... pressing their pistol on your chest, so to speak.

 

I just feel it is totally off the wall to punish this old Lady for her opinion of what happened more than 70 years ago. Totally back in the dark ages, when they were hunting witches.

The fact is that there are a lot of writings and even "proofs" to the contrary.... no mass exterminations via gas. It does make you wonder why the Nazis would kill 6 million, when they could at least have used all the able bodied people for work.
Something is not quite kosher and an investigation should be allowed. It would clear the air and do away with all that guess-work and speculation and half-truths. It would also put an end to all these stupid incarcerations. The German Government owes it to their paying citizens. Otherwise they are no better than the Nazis were.

 

In other words... the German government has no balls! It can't stand up for its citizens.

 

Hint: don't go to Germany. Holocaust deniers are not tolerated, for very good reason. You are obviously a denier or, at the very least, on the fence, which in my book makes you a denier.

 

Why should the fate of jews concern her? Hasn't she got her own grandchildren to worry about? Why are a foriegn people ment to be more important to her?

 

I'm not sure I understand your questions, what exactly are you asking?

 

Many people tend to think European countries are enlightened versions of the USA. Germany is an extreme regulated and controlled society. It is not a free market, Employment is highly regulated and requires government permission, free speech is highly regulated, and isn't even close to being a free society. However the USA is increasingly following the European model in all regards.

 

Yes, Nazis and Socialists should be imprisoned. He honeymooned in the USSR, which slaughtered millions. He's a socialist. Why isn't Bernie Sanders in prison? "I'm not inclined to give him a pass."

Imprisonment for thought crimes is at the top of the list of the true USA's Democratic platform.

 

I'm asking why she should put some long deceased foriegn peoples above her own grand children?

this is some highly draconian stuff here.

 

Actually Germany is a democracy and capitalism is their system of economy. They even have a stock market, the Dax, although it is similar to the Dow Jones in terms of participants. Capitalism is quite flexible, it can be totally unfettered (never a good thing) or have some regulation by which, we the people, through our elected representatives, keep a handle on things. Their relationship with labor is also quite unique.

European nations are not enlightened versions of the USA, indeed, they are the opposite. The US should consider the best that Europe has to offer, particularly how they approach their societies. This is not likely though.....

 

And what are you, Old Fella??

 

Oh my goodness! I'm assuming you are a young person and history wasn't your strong subject in school. You refer to the Jews in Europe as foreigners? They were actually citizens of the nations they lived in - not foreigners. Let's take a walk down memory lane:

Citizens of Poland of Jewish descent - pre WW II - 3.3 million. Post WW II - 300,000
Citizens of the USSR of Jewish descent - pre WW II - 3.02 million. Post WW II - 1 million
Citizens of Germany of Jewish descent - pre WW II - 565,000. Post WW II - 142,000
Citizens of Hungary of Jewish descent - pre WW II - 825,000. Post WW II - 550,000
Citizens of the Netherlands (Holland) of Jewish descent - pre WW II - 140,000. Post WW II - 100,000.

And a host of other European nations as well. These people were wiped out by the very people this woman venerates and promotes. In other words, she is okay with the greatest crime against humanity in recent history. And you, by your question, seem to be okay with it as well.

As for her grandchildren, I do hope they have not been infected by their grandmother's hatred & bigotry....

 

That's my attitude, too... live and let live!

 

I'm fine with it. Why would it be of any concern to me?

as for her grandchildren, I hope they have thd bigotry needed to stop the complete subsumation of their nation by arabs, which has been brought about by holocaust guilt.

The lady is wrong about the holocaust IMHO. There's no point denying a historical fact. But Germans can't afford to be fussing about that now. They have their own troubles.

 

Not a denier...

 

And why were their less jews in Russia after ww2?

 

If I understand you correctly, you are fine with the deaths of 6 million people of Jewish descent? Virtually all of whom were non combatants. I know Australians are tough but I didn't think they were this callous. In fact, I know they aren't...you must be an exception to the rule.

 

Possibly the dumbest question I have ever seen. Put your thinking cap on, the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, given the Nazis penchant for wiping out those of Jewish descent it is totally understandable that the Jewish population of the Soviet Union would decline.

 

Claim that the USA engaged in holocausts against many Native American nations and see how many deniers there are? Should they all be imprisoned too?

 

Unless she saw what was going on personally inside a death camp the only knowledge she has is hearsay that could be defined as propaganda. It is accurate propaganda, but being imprisoned for not believing hearsay and not toting the government line? That is not a free society. It is a thought control society.

 

It was not the greatest crime in recent history. There have been larger systematic mass killings of civilians in recent history. China and the USSR most come to mind.