Justice Scalia: minority students may be better off going to 'lesser schools'

then he should of said that as that is NOT what he said

that is what Affirmative Action is supposed to achieve

back in the day, many blacks did not make it on merit alone, only because of affirmative action do we now see that today

that doesn't mean affirmative action does not also create problems of its own at times

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How is affirmative action supposed to achieve that ? Why isn't it working ? Also , the judge certainly didn't say what you and superbadbrutha seem to beleive. What metrics are you using to claim that AA has helped more blacks get to school based on merit ?

 

Sure if there was a system that applied to all students the way affirmative action does.

What Scalia said was perfectly logical, and the current racial attacks against him are simply taking him out of context of the large discussion, which unfortunately can't be condensed into 140 characters or less.

Here is the situation. Different Universities push students at differing levels. Some schools are just more academically demanding. The best way to determine the ability to do higher level academic work is scoring on national tests like the SAT or ACT. For Harvard, the top 25% of students earned a combined SAT score of over 2350 (out of 2400). The middle 50% earned between 2100 and 2350. And the bottom 25% scored below 2100 points. So if you come out of high school with scores below 2100, you are going to struggle. However scoring 1800 and above is the top 25% of all SAT takers on any given year. So you can score 1800, which is excellent, be the top 25% nationwide, but be well into the bottom 25% of students entering Harvard.

The mean (not the average-just to be clear) SAT score for Black students in 2015 was 1277. So the pool of Black students who could reasonably do Ivy League work is very small, far smaller than the number admitted. So what happens when Black students are surrounded by students who have a several hundred point jump on them in test scores, in classes designed for students doing work at that level?


They struggle.

 

it has worked, as I pointed out, but as I also pointed out it also can create issues too

 

You sound like a movie character that humorously embellishes everything to find racism.

 

Maybe it's simply time to rethink the process. I don't think we will go back to how it was 'back in the day', or at least hopefully we won't. I would like to think we have come too far to go back.
Conservatives, well most like myself, do not want to limit blacks or any other minority. Or whites. The problem is we see 'fair' through different lenses and I don't know that we will ever totally agree. And I admit I don't know what the solution should be to make it truly fair to everyone.

 

So let's get this straight: you create a level playing field by forcing schools & businesses to admit/hire people based on their skin color/ethnicity thereby creating an unlevel playing field for those who are more qualified?

In essence, the Progressive/Liberals are saying that minorities are too dumb to do it on their own. That's the bottom line.

 

Well, here's how it works: Women have been traditionally discriminated against for, oh, THOUSANDS of years. So when AA popped up, women took advantage of it.

Oh, and know how you've said in the past that on a numerical basis, whites commit more crimes than blacks? I mean, you have used that as an argument when people say that as a percentage of the population, blacks commit more crime than whites, using the fact that on a numerical basis there are something like 4-5 times as many whites in the US as there are blacks. OK then Well, guess what? There are more white women in the US than black.

So you see, using your own logic, it's a GOOD thing that white women score more AA than black women. And I'm glad you agree.

 

Justice Scalia sits on the Court and holds racist views. He does not like Gays either. His appointment was President Reagan's biggest mistake.

 

I asked you to explain how it has worked in the way you explained.
How has it helped improved the black community as well?
What metrics are you using to declare any sort of success ?

 

It is what it is !!

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Everyone is racist if they aren't liberal .

 

It what liberals do !

" Inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. They don’t like to have another point of view in the room that they don’t squash and the way they try to squash it is by character assassination and name calling. " David Horowitz

 

Larry Elder has been saying the same thing. Is it better for a black person to get thrown into a highly competitive advanced school and not graduate, or is it better for that person to go to a less competitive school and graduate? I'd argue the latter.

It's undeniable that blacks, overall, are behind their white and Asian counterparts in an Academic setting. Every scholastic test will show that. That's not to say some blacks can't, but in general, the are lagging behind.

 

I remember there was one black guy in my university physics class. He finished a test in 10 minutes, I was amazed.

When the graded tests were on the table I glanced over when he picked his up. He scored a 15.

 

Careful , you are going to be labeled ....

 

Black women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Then black men.

 

No, they're "crying" about a program that discriminates purely on the basis of race or gender or other bs box checking.

Read the case law. Even benign discrimination based on race is unacceptable except for a very very very narrow exception for remedial measures. At some point those will have to end. Not should, must. The way that happens is people with standing file suit and test the calculus. This is how our system works

 

Come to think of it: there were NO blacks in my science classes. I don't remember a single one.

 

I have no problems with blacks going to Ivy League schools if the bar for entrance isn't lowered for people because of the color of their skin.

 

The biggest failing of racially discriminatory college admissions programs concerns whether they do damage to the lives and careers of the supposed beneficiaries of those programs.

In Wednesday’s oral argument in Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin, Justice Scalia asked about academic mismatch and now some on Left, ever the drama-queens, are pretending he donned a Ku Klux Klan robe right at the Bench.

Here is what he said:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/14-981_4h25.pdf

Here are the actual facts:

https://pjmedia.com/blog/scourging-scalia-the-lefts-latest-hissy-fit

From the Brief Scalia referenced:

The Brief continues:

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ons-policies-on-campus-hurt-minority-students

So instead of students attending colleges that match their academic background, training, and credentials, the racialist admissions programs push many students into universities where they are at the bottom of the class from the very start.

Their grades are lower, graduation rates are lower and they are dropping out of the more solid disciplines like science and engineering. Both Blacks and Hispanics bail on those areas of study at a much higher rates than whites.

This is frustrating for them and hurts them in the long-term resulting in fewer black scientists, doctors, and engineers because of affirmative action which hurts all of us.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ons-policies-on-campus-hurt-minority-students

~ Justice Thomas

 

I thought most of AA went away anyway. She didn't get in because the school didn't want her. She'll have to face facts and go to a "lesser school."