Psychiatrist famous for declassifying homosexuality as mental illness ...........

You're taking a whole hell of alot of liberties with that claim. You can't view sexuality or dietary practices and apply them across all of humanity like that.

Each culture has a different view on those things, what's normal or abnormal to you may not be to them. The Greeks, for example, it absolutely without a doubt was normal to have anal sex with men (and in alot of cases boys), and the same goes for Romans, Spartans, etc.

 

Attraction is not a choice. Being homosexual is a question of attraction and attraction is a sub-conscious process you cannot control.

 

The Greeks would kill you if you were a homosexual who did not come out of the closet. If you did they took away your citizenship . Your spouting nonsense.

 

not at all

Those who choose the homosexual lifestyle can live productive lives despite the high rate of suicide/attempted-suicide as well as HIV rate.

What a compassionate society should do is provide the help needed to kick the habit for those who realize that they've made a mistake.

We do not toss aside alcoholics or addicts and must not toss aside homosexuals by just white-washing their problem and calling it their "orientation" in order to make ourseleves feel better as if we've done something as opposed to tackling the problem.

We do not imprison alcoholics just for drinking nor would anyone suggest imprisoning people for having gay-sex.

That's just a strawman from you. You do not need my blessing nor the blessing from anyone else for you to have gay-sex. I know that it's wrong, Christians know that it's wrong and the majority of others know that it's wrong as well, but just don't want to hear about it.

 

Im sure you can prove no one has ever chosen to be homosexual . The question is whats causing this attraction.

 

and treatment should be provided. Something within your upbringing and environment caused you to make the sexual choice that you did. There are a lot of people with enough love in their hearts who have the courage to love you AND want to help you break the shackles of the bad choice you made.

It amazes me that you think people who do not wish to help you are your friends

Alcoholics believe the same thing

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the studies on identical twins proves that one is not "born homosexual"

 

Attraction is caused by a myriad of factors, not any one thing.

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Why should treatment be provided for something that does not cause harm?

You know, Christian beliefs meet the definition of delusions. Should Christians be provided treatment to end their "mental illness" or are their beliefs not mental illness because they don't cause harm?

 

But it does cause harm. Homosexuality is a dangerous life style.

 

Not for lesbians unless you also include suicide caused by depression, the main cause of which is people like you and the treatment your ilk foist on gays.

In fact, lesbians have an even lower rate of STDs than Heteros. Maybe we should endeavor to treat Heteros and convert them away from their dangerous lifestyle choice to the far safer Lesbian lifestyle.

 

Suicide is not caused by any "ilk"

Again a false assertion used by those living the gay-lifestyle looking to blame their bad choices on others.

My relative who took their life did so of their own free will and no outside force caused it.

Some folks react differently than others to the same situation but the situation is not the cause of suicide. Many times, depression and/or mental illness are the root cause and given the abnormal rate of suicide/attempted suicide among homosexuals, that adds more evidence to it being a mental disorder and not normal.

 

Maybe we should ban sex

 

Suicide is caused by depression. Depression can most certainly be caused by the way someone is treated. And people like you tend to treat gays like (*)(*)(*)(*). How bad do you think you would feel about yourself if someone claimed day after day that you were abnormal, unnatural, an abomination, worthy of eternal torture, etc for something you cannot control?

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If you are going by health statistics, banning all sex but lesbian sex would be the way to go.

 

The key in this entire debacle on the christian side is, after all, pheromones. Well, they exist. And aversion to a specific sexes pheromones can certainly explain quite a bit of genetic processing when it comes to sexuality.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0510_050510_gayscent.html

I am guessing that this will be dismissed, but i's scientific fact that pheromones do induce activity in the brain for both genders. Interesting to note that the brain of gay men reacted to Testosterone in the same fashion that the brain of straight females reacted to the same.

Mental illness? Hardly. It's most likely normal function. You can't -choose- to make your brain react to a bodily scent, after all.

 

Before I make my next statement, let me just say that I agree with you, because it is going to sound at first like I don't: when it comes to mental illness, choice isn't part of the diagnosis. I have a mental illness, and I didn't choose to have it. People who suffer from depression disorders generally don't choose to be depressed, and the chronically anxious don't choose to be anxious. Non-chosen compulsions are a frequent symptom of mental illness.

The reason why the APA abandoned their mistaken categorization is that new research from Kinsey and others showed the prevalence of homosexual desires and the fact that they could be pursued without personal distress. The APA was then confronted with the fact that homosexuality didn't meet their requirements for what constitutes a "disorder," and there wasn't enough research to defend the categorization. Simply put: unlike every other mental disorder, it didn't have a pathology, so they made the right call and removed it.

 

I searched the Move On .Org, the Huffington Huff, The Advocate, MSNBC, CPUSA, Party for Socialism and Liberation websites and couldn't find a damn thing.

You'll have to accept the "right wing smear propaganda" and like it.

 

Homosexuality is s state of being and sexual orientation, not a lifestyle. A lifestyle is like when you choose to go live in the suburbs.

The religious right has been trying to ban any sex that is not procreative for a long time. They keep losing.

 

Perhaps in your mind you feel that everyone is lookign at you kinda funny but the truth be known, we've no idea what you do in your bedroom.

Alcoholics also claim that they cannot control themselves so should we just turn our backs on them?

Of course we shouldn't but you can't help an alocholic until they themselves realize that they need help. With homosexuals it is no different. You made the choice and now you wish to demonize anyone who disagrees with that choice. Guess what, you'll always find people who toss red paint on those wearing fur, slash tires of those chopping down trees etc.

Should the person who had red paint tossed at them take their own life?

Why won't you support groups which are there to help homosexuals receive treatment if they seek it?

 

Alchoholics ingest poison in dangerous quantities. That is objectively harmful.

Being attracted to a member of the same sex is not objectively harmful. It's only harmful in and of itself when paired with other factors like unprotected sex, sex with many partners, or the psychological damage caused by mistreatment from bigots.

 

Because they don't have a history of HELPING them, now do they? They usually abuse, berate, belittle, accuse, judge, and in general demolish the people who want their help.

Instead of accepting that life isn't about their mythological definitions of not only right and wrong but normal and abnormal, these organizations exist only to continue to separate the public from their money with no real measurable success.

 

You don't think there's a connection? If one sexual deviance can be classified as natural, then it's difficult to classify any as unnatural. So the assumption today is that a transgender has nothing wrong with his brain or psyche... the only option left is that there is something wrong with his "plumbing." Maybe no one saw it coming, but in hindsight the domino effect is obvious.

 

Was there ever any evidence that it was a mental illness of any kind?? What new evidence would have been needed to disprove something that wasn't true in the first place?

 

No just like heterosexuality it is a life style.

You can blame Paul for all the anti sex nonsense. The bible says go you forth and multiply. There was nothing there that forbids premarital sex. Of course being gay you cant go forth and multiply however.

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Yes the fact that they dont want to screw a woman . Pro creation is our number one drive.

 

Really? That counts as a mental illness?? How??

 

Gays ingest semen in dangerous quantities

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Cameron2.html

 

Its denying the main reason we are here for. The one thing the bible says over and over is beget. Before you attack this on religious grounds. The bible isnt the word of god its the word of man.