Ben Carson Confronted at Town Hall: 'Do You Think I Chose to Be Gay?'

Perhaps you shouldn't project yourself onto others. I am not bi. I am not attracted to men.

I'm getting defensive because sec continues to lie even though I have corrected him.

 

Who decides what an adult is Mohamed ?

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You and your peers

 

Not the ones I know and I know plenty. Most cant keep to one partner for a week

 

I have no more problem with people eating sushi than I do with people being gay. Eating sushi is deviant from the norms as far as eating goes. I think you have to be nuts to eat that crap. You couldnt pay me to take a bite. I lived a year in Japan thank god there were other choices than Japanese food. There I was the deviant.

 

And sleeps right through them.

I think he suggested a flat tax because he couldn't stay awake through a detailed plan. It all makes sense now, keep his answers short so his narcolepsy doesn't get the best of him.

 

Excuse me, but when did I ever tell you 'what you are', or what you think? I simply acknowledged that all humans(you included) make choices, and to deny your ability to make a choice is lying to yourself. So no, you haven't stopped lying to yourself because you still can't accept yourself for who you are. At least, relative to what others think. That's the only reason you want to claim it's not a "choice"(IE: Owning no personal possession over your same-sex attraction)

Obviously, I chose my heterosexuality when I dabbled into a same-sex experience and made my choice. Did my brain come to the decision due to various mechanisms and chemicals inside the hemisphere? No denying that. But the final decider was me. I'm in control of my own actions and my own self. It's alot like the "insanity" defense, nonsense. I don't buy into it and no prosecutor worth their salt would buy it either.

You should actually be happy that there are those who want you to say it's a choice. The LBGT Community just needs to grow a set of balls and say "It's our choice...AND? What are you going to do about it?" Seeing you deny it's a choice is like a young teenager denying that he's in love with his first crush.

 

Thank you for reinforcing my statement that simply saying something is "abnormal" or "deviant" is completely pointless. It implies a negative connotation but does not actually mean anything.

 

What are you even talking about? Yes, you keep telling me that I am lying to myself and claim to know how I think. You've just done it again in this post.

No, I did not make any choice to be gay. That's just a fact. It has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't need anyone's approval. All I am saying is that I did not choose to be gay- and that is the truth. I am not able to be emotionally or sexually attracted to the opposite sex- at all. The same sex though? Yes. The fact that you are slightly bisexual is your own truth. You need to understand that others are not the same as you, and do not experience things in the same way- something you clearly refuse to acknowledge.

 

We do? How in the world is "nature" an active participant in regulating anything?

 

except I just proved that I'm write. You still seem to think bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy trash blogs somehow refute peer reviewed scientific papers, or supreme court rulings.

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Biology. what does Mohamed have to do with anything?

so you are also ignorant of peer review. I'm not surprised.

 

I view all things as psychologically motivated. It isn't you particularly. It's the entire LBGT Group. The only reason I would say that I didn't choose my lover(or anything) is if I didn't want to be seen associated with that person, or condoning the thought process. That's the only reason for self-denial. It's just plain and pure self-denial. Whereas by contrast, I admit to the possibility of another man and have had experiences there. But the experiences didn't fulfill me.

I can openly say this and not care for the world what other people think or say. I think the LBGT community needs to get to that point. And as seen by the defensiveness, it's a hard point to get to.

 

You have shown no such thing. You pointed out a worthless and incorrectly used statistic.

 

Bottom line is that when it comes to Ben Carson for this election is that no one really should give a sushi because he is not going to affect the race and will all know that he will not win. Maybe Trumpet's VEEP.

 

doing the right thing would be helping those who need it

with respect to your sex life, did you read my explanation?

In any event, why does it matter if you are straight or homosexual? Your position is wrong and hypocritical.

Why do you feel that my mistaking you for engaging in gay-sex as being an insult? If you were insulted, then that right there should confirm to you that choosing the gay lifestyle is wrong.

As a side note, I never reported your thread-buddy nor would I ever report you. You'll find that most decent conservatives just let slide off our backs the insults tossed our way by your side.

 

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I give up. You refuse to understand that not everyone is capable of having the same experiences as you. You say you had a sexual fling with a guy. OK fine, so you're somewhat bisexual. I could never do that with a woman. Without being too graphic- the equipment won't respond, making it pretty impossible. If you think that is a choice, I don't know what to tell you. That's all I am saying. I did not get to choose. Maybe you did.

 

the words "abnormal" and "deviant" only imply what you yourself believe them to be.

For example, I dunk my McDonalds hamburger into my milk shake. That is definitely "abnormal" behavior compared to other McDonalds diners.

"Deviant" behavior is simply something which differs from the accepted norm. For example, living in a suburb and using sheep to mow your lawn would be deviant behavior. It might be Ok in rural and farm areas but where the majority use mowers, it would be deviant behavior

 

of course I have. pretending I haven't doesn't actually change that fact.
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I pointed out, via peer reviewed scientific paper, that his claim is incorrect, and that the statistics don't support his claim.

 

My position is that those who are not harming themselves or others are not mentally ill. That is not hypocrisy.

 

So then what is your point in calling homosexuals "sexual deviants"?

 

we'll part ways with respect to whether choosing the gay lifestyle is a result of a form of mental illness. I simply look to facts

identical twin studies confirm that one is not born homosexual

there is no medical test to determine if one is homosexual

the proclivity toward pedophilia among homosexuals

the high rate of suicide/attempted suicide

the high rate of HIV


the above clearly reflects a mental illness. I fully support providing counseling for those who suffer from homosexuality as well as testing drugs much like is done for depression, ADHD etc.

If we can find a way for homosexuals to live a normal life then we should. We as brothers must help each other even when those, like with alcoholics, insist that they are perfectly fine.

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umm

because that is all that it is

those who choose the gay lifestyle engage in deviant sex.

They have the same number of fingers and toes, similar blood, walk the same etc

 

Of course it's a choice. You're not sexually attracted to women, so you're not inclined to have sex with a woman. If a woman makes her advances on you, you'll be the first to reject(choice) them. The reasons you make choices, be they biological or otherwise is completely distinct from the choice itself.

Since when did you think that biology ruins your ability to make decisions for yourself? When did this psychological idea occur that's not based on(IMO) any previous psychological understanding of how the mind works? We compute various scenarios, and then we make decisions. Our decisions are largely based off our perceptions and how well we can compute the said scenarios.

I want to know which psychatrist gave "credence" to the idea that human beings can make choices everywhere else but sexually. What quack doctor came up with this absurd psychological theory?

 

This does not rule out some degree of genetic involvement
But most importantly
Dr whiteheads reference to post birth factors refers to numerous factors outsude personal control
Which again removes being gay from the realm of personal choice

 

all of which has been debunked, numerous times.

 

Since it decided for me 30 years ago. That's when. The equipment will not respond with the opposite sex. If you think that is a choice, you have a very bizarre view of choice.

Again, you seem to think that everyone's experiences are the same as yours and that everyone fits into the same box. They do not.

 

Yes, I believe we have our hormones in control. I believe we SHOULD have our hormones in control. Those who argue otherwise, are the rapists who go 'I couldn't help it, she was asking for it!". She was neither asking for it, nor you impotent in your decisions. Based on your emotions, feelings and desires you wanted to be gay. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

The more you continue to fight that, the more you'll deny yourself the open acceptance you want which is the real tragedy. Talk about self-inflicting wounds.