Morality vs people.

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  1. william walker

    william walker New Member

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    Just unsubscribed from a girl on Youtube because she made a video about having an abortion. Each time this conflict between morality and people takes place and choose morality, I am forced to question my morality, my political and religious views. Am I doing the correct thing, is it worth it. Each time the answer comes back, yes. In the end morality is more important than people. In the end immoral people can't be trusted and their justifications for immoral actions are found wanting. Maybe if they believed as I do in morality and our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ then they wouldn't have undertaken the immoral actions in the first place. Maybe if the government didn't directly intervene in peoples lives against their conscience they would have acted differently. Maybe if people around them, who loved them believed as I do and make it clear to them how they would feel, then they wouldn't have undertaken the immoral actions. Maybe if other people weren't immoral and didn't treat them badly they wouldn't have done those things which caused them to become immoral. But when it comes down to it all the maybe's, buts, excuses and justifications are meaningless. My view of the person has changed, I now see them as a bad thing in the world. I find them disgusting and part of me will hate them forever. Nothing else they can say or do will change this. So I must purge them from my life. :smile:
     
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    What if your world view was from the perspective of the Muslim raised in the Middle East, North Africa or Indonesia, or from the perspective of the Hindu from India, or from the Jewish perspective from Israel? If that person had gotten their morality from Christianity, and you had not, would you then see them as "a bad thing in the world" because your moral compass references from a different point?
     
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    william walker New Member

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    If they live their lives morally as I do then my view of them would be as moral people who are bettering the world. Indeed I like Muslims and find Muslim women very attractive and desirable. I like anyone regardless of religion, so long as they are moral by my religion and politics. I am a High Church Anglican, High Tory and Loyalist. The differences between other religions and Protestantism is cultural. So I would want everybody in Britain to be moral and have that belief because of Protestantism and the power of the established Anglican Church of England. I hope this answers your question.
     
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    So much for love thy neighbor as thyself, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, judge not lest thee be judged, ect. As you judge others, others will judge you. Morality is relative to the individual and by my assessment of strife in this world much of it can be attributed to clashing universal morals. It is easy to announce to all that ones morals are universal to all humanity and backed by the authority of a God, but there are countless others who say the same thing yet have different moral standards.
     
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    In my view morality is much more malleable than solid logic based ethics.

    The people burning witches felt perfectly moral.
     
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    You will hate them forever? Which in itself is another immoral act. To carry hate from day to day, is immoral. See, the thing is, those people who seem so concerned about the morality of others, are not as much concerned about their own. So, perhaps we should clean up our own backyards, before we start judging the immorality of others?

    What is immorality, at its foundation? This is rather simple. Immorality involves hurting another person, in some way, in order to gratify in some way, one' own ego, self image, created by the human brain. And we, being so self centered, egotistical, and selfish, live immoral lives as we pursue all sorts of pleasure that impact others badly, or even hurts them.

    If we spent some time with observing our own actions, thoughts, and cleaned up our own immoral behavior, we would have little time to worry about the immorality of others. And if you finally arrived at the point, where you were no longer an immoral person, perhaps only then could you aid others in becoming aware of their immoralities. Or as JC suggested, get the log out of your own eye, so that you can then see to help get the mote out of the other's eye.
     
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    Morality is certainly relative to your beliefs and your culture. But when you said
    it seemed a bit hypocritical for someone espousing beliefs in Christianity. Faithful people espouse mercy, forgiveness, love, compassion, etc. Your statement was lacking any of that.
     
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    My friend, it is not your or mine place to judge others. We should embrace people that are going through conflict, not turn our backs on them. We do not need to agree with them but we do not need to scorn them either. Look at who Jesus surrounded himself with.....he never turned anyone away.

    We need to live by his example.
     
  9. william walker

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    Love is willing the good of the other person and doing something to make that good happen. Basically love is seeking the best for someone else. So I do love my neighbor. I am not casting any stone or lawful punishment. I am simply shunning people and removing them from my life. I want to be judge, I want my actions to matter and for others to view me based upon my actions. I know, I want other people to judge me as I judge them. As it will then lead me to constrain my actions and improve my life and the life of other people.
     
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    I find your morality disgusting and must purge you from my life. Not that anyone cares or should bother to do so...My ego isn't big enough for that.
     
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    Aw, stop.

    Anyway. What makes you so sure that your interpretation of morality is the correct one? Why is abortion objectively wrong?
     
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    Do you believe that you have the power to change others?

    There is a serious flaw with the golden rule as it says to treat others how you want to be treated. The problem is that others do not always want to be treated as I do and this can cause problems. You ever tried to help someone and received a wounded look or harsh words? If so that is the golden rule falling flat on its face.

    I subscribe to the negative of the golden rule, that being if I would find an action harmful to me then I should not do that thing to another. My daughter followers another rule that being treat others how they want to be treated unless it is harmful to one or the other.

    So are you saying that when people judge you that it leads you to constrain your actions and improve your life? Is that not to give others much power over you? I stand firmly upon my own moral foundation and do not need the approval of others as my morals superseded the judgment of fallible humanity.
     
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    What about those who aren't religious in any way shape or form?

    Is that the only reason?
     

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