"Obama Ending Iranian Sanctions Biggest Nightmare Since Chamberlain"

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  1. Thunderbolt

    Thunderbolt Active Member

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    Obama is not Chamberlain, he is much worse !

    First, Chamberlain did not tacitly provide nuclear bombs, nuclear ballistic missiles and billions of dollars to the Nazi Germany.

    Second, Chamberlain acted on his own, while Obama openly bragged to be a brainwashed pawn

    Third, Chamberlain honestly believed in "peace in our time", while Rev. Wright is infamous for having screamed after 9/11

     
  2. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...Yeah, we get it. He's the black devil incarnate among the lunatic right.
    We call those notions brain farts out here in the real world.
     
  3. Thunderbolt

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    Don't distort my words to blame me for racism !
    Obama is not "black devil" at all, but an ill-fated, horribly brainwashed, mentally crippled cultist.
    In Israel there is a mad rabbi, who called the Gentiles "brainless thieves".
    He has perhaps one dozen followers, but imagine one of them as US President !
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't blame you for racism. I noted that this sort of tripe is typical of the lunatic right, which somehow has turned Obama into "the greatest evil the world has ever known". From the birthers to the Putin lovers, the right has lost its marbles when it comes to Obama.
     
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    You're too worried Thunder! Within several years if not sooner, US and Iran will become bosom buddies. The geopolitical map of the M.E. is changing that requires a regional police. KSA was given this task but failed and Turkey is not positioned correctly in the region as well as its internal issues. For years US policy was to overthrow the regime in Iran but failed due to Iran's counteract leveraging; i.e., funding the groups neighboring Israel, enriching uranium, etc. Let's not forget the relationship between the two countries were building up during the attack on Afghanistan. You have the U.S. war planes using Iranian airspace for strikes and unconfirmed reports of U.S. Air Force being stationed in a remote area in Iran, as well as the joint operation of Delta Forces, IRGC & Afghan Mujahedin around Mezar Sharif or Herat, liberating the city from the Taliban. Then for some reason, Iran becomes an axis of evil at the same time as Iranian regime wants assurance that the U.S. won't try and overthrow the regime. Then you have the moderates in Iran out of the picture and the hardliner Ahmadinejad stepping in. Obama is elected and tries to re-establish the previous fragile relationship through recognizing Iran's regime; however, this relationship is not to the hardliner's tasting. Iran's meddling is increased as well as it's enriched program. The sanctions are increased and pressure is built up for the Iranians to come to the table as the Arabian Spring takes in to effect. Out of the chaos created in the middle east, you have ISIS rising and becoming out of control. KSA is unwilling or unable to control these Islamic fanatics and gets involved in Yemen, but shows unable to settle the unrest in that country; hence, the realization of U.S. for returning the role of policing to Iran. Changes are made drastically in Iran as well as the U.S. policy. The conditional security is offered to the regime for the next 10-15 years in favor of lifting of sanctions and returning Iran the world community. Within two years, drastic changes are made which seem unbelievable. You are moving from enemy number one to releasing US Navy personnel after drifting into Iranian waters and relief of sanctions through unfreezing Iran funds.
    Future predictions:
    KSA will dissolve in to 3 or more sections.
    IRGC activities will minimize and Iranian Army will be rebuilt to take over.
    First step, purchase of western fighter planes!
    Large percentage of moderate Iranian congress candidates have been rejected by the high council. Rouhani has appealed, if accepted then there is another sign.
    Look out for this name, Hassan Khomeini, grandson of the big Ayatollah!! He has presented his candidacy for the supreme leaders council and was reject. If his rejection is overridden by Ali Khamenie, then here is another.
    Price of oil to reach $70-$80 within the next 6 months, assisting the American shale oil industry as well as increasing the income of oil producing countries.
     
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    More drivel from the right, with an extra dollop of schmaltz. Oy vey.
     
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    While I don't like Obama, he did the right thing.
     
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    Incredible, a zionist moaning about the actions of Obama and Chamberlain because they promoted peace.

    What did german zionists do to stop the rise of Hitler, nothing other than making agreements with the Nazi's to get the land thieves to Palestine.

    Zionism did remarkably well out of the two world wars, Zionist financiers got the Balfour Agreement from WW1 and Zionists conned the world into trampling over the indigenous people of Palestine to create Israel from WW2.

    So now Zionists want the US to do their bidding again and risk war with Iran because that is is what is best for Israel. The US should do what is best for the US and not what Zionist fifth columnists try to talk them into.
     
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    Vladimir Putin, love him or hate him, is running a legitimate state in Russia. When he explains his actions, I sometimes nod to myself and say 'I would have taken the same stance as Russian head of state'. When I see President Clown pretend to lead our country, I wait for Jan 2017.

    He SUCKS. Whether you like it or not. We need a new leader, just like we needed a new one when Bush wore out his welcome by 2006. Obama wore his out by February 2009. By then, he agreed to the largest pork barrel-spending bill in US History, moved towards the bailouts and in a few months we'd learn of the ACA Catastrophe.

    Terrible president.
     
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    President Obama is doing the right diplomatic gesture.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Putin is an unreconstructed kgb thug who runs Russia like a gangster.
    He murders his opponents and has no plans to ever relinquish power.
    He is no different than any other totalitarian dictator.
    Americans who swoon at his antics are as irrational and ignorant as they come, since Putin's ideology is anathema to American and western values.
    But then, brain farts do that to people's cognitive abilities.
     
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    Let's stop right there. Based upon IAEA certification that Iran is in full compliance with the nuclear agreement the lifting of sanctions against Iran is in compliance with the law. When an OP starts out with a lie in the first sentence it's time to ignore everything after the first sentence.
     
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    I'm not exactly a fan of the methods he's used to retain power. I'm a fan of what he's done with the power he has. For his country and what he wants to accomplish, he's actually getting stuff done. Unlike the loser in chief here.

    Admiring Putin has less to do with admiring his values, then realizing just how BAD we've got it here. Obama's worse than Bush. Think about that for a second. We couldn't wait to get rid of Bush, but Obama has us in collective insanity mode as the Democrats are weaker than ever, and not much better are the Republicans.

    Our political system itself is in disarray.
     
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    Fantastic, citing a Zionist website. Is this supposed to be taken as a serious and impartial commentary?
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    When was the last time you elected anyone remotely competent to lead your country? Last time I checked you've had nothing but a succession of dismal failures. Ours have been no better.
     
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    Lol...So, the ends justify the means for you, eh?
    But what exactly has Putin done for Russia?
    Turned it into a pariah state with his notions of re-establishing the Soviet empire by attacking its neighbors?
    Murdered his political opposition at home and abroad and made Russians afraid to voice their opinions?
    Played the demagogue card to distract from his failures by blaming others?

    I think what right-wingers really like best about Putin is that he insults Obama, and that's good enough for them.

    To any objective observer, Putin's actions are detrimental for his country, but since his main concern is keeping himself in power, anything else is expendable.
    The Russians are stuck with this gangster because he refuses to leave, but the best thing for Russia would be to get a new leader who was committed to improving Russia rather than keeping himself in power.
    Russians should bring Gorbachev back. He's the only decent political leader they have ever had.

    And our political system is weakened by the rise of the tea cons who consider compromise treason and don't have a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue as to how political systems work in a diverse and democratic society. Their intransigence and willingness to cripple our country for partisan gain is at the root of the current "political disarray".
    That's what happens when you let the lunatics run the asylum
    No wonder they ache for a dictatorship a la Putin or Mugabe or Pol Pot.
    After all, people used to excuse Mussolini's thuggery by saying that at least he made the trains run on time.
    Political acumen on the right is non-existent. It results in asshats like Trump and Palin becoming right-wing celebrities while intelligent conservatives are ridiculed as rinos.
     
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    It's a weeping, crying state of affairs. When one looks at the 18th-19th century, as opposed to the 21st. There was a time where America had a rich array of leaders, from Madison to Mckinley, to Grover Cleveland, Ike. Andrew Jackson being one of my personal favorites for challenging the banks and bringing unparalleled prosperity to the United States.

    If I chose purely American leaders as who I model myself after, it would be Cleveland's sense of restraint of overexpanding government, Andrew Jackson's populism and James Polk's Manifest Destiny.

    Manifest Destiny of course, takes a much different meaning in the 21st century than the 18th century. Rather than an expansion of the 13 colonies into 50 States. Today, Manifest Destiny means using every available avenue to us, as well as collaboration with the U.N, E.U and the whole community to end these wars.

    I'm willing to say that U.S gung-hoism has put us in a worse place. I'm also willing to say that the rest of the world has its ideas. I'd like to try these ideas to bring the war to a quick, decisive end that accomplishes the goal of protecting Western Civilization from violent threats.

    And in pursing Jackson/Cleveland like domestic policy, the U.S Government has 20 trillion in debt. I think the government has more than enough of big money pockets. It's time to start investing here at home and letting the people share in prosperity, rather than an ever growing, ever larger government while the public share of wealth continues to shrink.
     
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    You do realize that manifest destiny has resulted in the illegal immigrant situation that we have today, don't you?
    MD was nothing more that 19th century arrogance and imperialism and has come back to bite us in the ass, just like the colonial adventures of Europeans has resulted in their immigrant situation today.
    Karma is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), ain't it?
     
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    "Munich", "Chamberlain"........etc. etc.etc.......
     
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    You forgot "appeasement".
     
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    And you forgot "Death to Great Britain !"

    Not "only" to Israel and to America !"
     
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    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    "Tea Cons"? The Liberals effectively destroyed the Tea Party by 2011, refusing to work with Tea Party Republicans and instead touting the likes of Chris Christie(an actual neo-con) and bolstering McConnell/Boehner's ineffective leadership. Why? Because in a Tea Party coalition, Liberal free gifts wouldn't be possible. What Liberals underestimated was just how sick we were of the inner sabotage. Ideally, we could've just displaced Harry Reid but the bastard wasn't up for reelection. So we had to elect a Republican majority instead.

    You have no idea how upsetting it is that the make-up of government depends almost entirely on decisions made by people in other states. Another god awful name is Nancy Pelosi, and the miserable voters of California(San Francisco) who put her in power in the first place.

    But make no mistake, they slayed their so-called "fear", the Tea Party. The foolish reactionary policies of the Liberals against the Tea Party brought you Donald Trump. If they had worked with the Tea Party, there's no Trump. The Fiscal Conservatives of the right, and the Liberals of the Left could have made a Grand Coalition.

    But that required the chosen one to be actually apt at negotiations, which he isn't.. Make no mistake, Liberal policies which have dictated that you give more of your money in taxes and that you spend money on things THEY want you to buy, is the reason for our social-political collapse. And it is what gave rise to Trump. Whether you like that or not.

    There's nothing diverse and democratic about the "democrats" as they are now.
     
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    Obama walked a fine line for years on this issue between all-out war and keeping the peace. That he was able to keep the peace, despite repeated calls from the right to begin another major war in the Middle Ease, and reining in Mr. Netanyahu in Israel is a tribute to his skills and that of his administration. There's a whole lot more in this story, which I would encourage you to read for some background:


    Diplomacy and Sanctions, Yes. Left Unspoken on Iran? Sabotage.
     
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    I tried reading this but I felt myself get dumber as I did.
     
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    And Putin's loyalists (allegedly) bashing Obama must be very ingrateful people.
    Because Obama (or rather his lord and master Rev. Wright) gave Putin free hand to do, whatever he wanted and whenever he wanted.
    In Georgia, in Ukraine, in Syria ...
     

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