Israel, Mired in Ideological Battles, Fights on Cultural Fronts

Israel is like a fishbowl, not like you can move to another state if you are displeased with the current one

glad I live in the USA with so many unique fish bowls to choose from

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Nope, it would mean you hated South Africans and used ridiculous arguments to do it with.

 

Exactly the world considered them Afrikan first, their Dutch heritage was not the issue. But you insist it is not because they are Israeli it is because of their Jewish Heritage!

 

Correct, and it is just as ridiculous an argument when you claim Israelis are hated because they are Jews.

 

You seem to have gotten that one a backwards. If you use ridiculous arguments to hate with then you are a bigot so, when was the last time you used double standards, demonized or attempted to state that South Africa had no right to be a nation?

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I don't know of many black South Africans who had Dutch blood.

 

I don't know how you could have missed it. I clearly stated, right up front, that "Israel is an advanced democracy with an admirable social safety net that includes universal health care coverage."

 

I clearly stated in post 21 South African apartied, and now you are back to deflecting. You are the one who created the 3D test, but you cannot explain why you conclude Jew hater or antisemitic rather than anti Israeli or Israeli hater

See post 21 and stop deflecting.

 

If you need to lie, apply double standards or deny the right of a people to live in their own nation then you are a hateful person and your arguments are invalid. No nation, including the old apartheid nation of South Africa should be subject to double standards, demonetization or delegitimization no matter if they are black or of Dutch heritage.

 

Sorry, just assumed you were sarcastic

 

Wasn't the argument Drew, the argument was why you concluded Jew Hater and not Israeli Hater. You cannot answer that, so you will avoid it.

 

I didn't create the test as it is used by the US State Department. As for you only being against South African Apartheid and useing it as an analogy about Israel so, you are only against some of Israel and will apply double standards, delegitimize the rights of those individuals to live in a their own nation and demonize them whenever possible. Is it just the Arabs or just the Jews you are willing to lie and hate for using these ridiculous heinous methods and underhanded arguments?

Sorry, just figured you were not going to apply a demonization, delegitimization or double standard argument towards Israeli Arabs.

Or were those the ones you wish to state should not have a right to live in the Levant and are evil in some way? Like let's get this out in the open, if, you were going to use any of those hateful arguments would it be because it is the Jews you hate or is it the Arabs?

 

Huge deflection, I have not said I hate anyone Drew, again why do you conclude Jew hater not Israeli hater? I am using your ideas not mine and proving how false they are.

 

If you don't hate anyone why do you believe that demonizing them, applying double standards or denying them the right to live in their own nation is alright to use as an argument in any way to any degree?

Explained in the post above;

""Sorry, just figured you were not going to apply a demonization, delegitimization or double standard argument towards Israeli Arabs.

Or were those the ones you wish to state should not have a right to live in the Levant and are evil in some way? Like let's get this out in the open, if, you were going to use any of those hateful arguments would it be because it is the Jews you hate or is it the Arabs?""

 

You will have to admit it has some pretty startling negatives.

Apartheid tends get attention.

Even the head of Mossad has stated that Israeli policy is a national security problem for America.

 

Did you know, over 70% of Israeli Arabs consider Israel good place to live? Perhaps, you knew that 35% of Israeli doctors are Palestinians?

Some apartheid regime Israel is

 

No one in the world should have an automatic right to live in the Levant be they Jew or Arab. Dont see what the problem is here.

To the OP. This is the usual inconsequential bubble, someone on the Israeli right is always trying to test israeli versions of liberal democracy - they never get too far because Isreali success relies on those liberal values it still retains.

This rubbish about Israeli society only matters to the extent it affects those Israeli occupies because they cannot vote against it.

 

I don't call anyone antisemetic or a jew hater Drew, but you have. You cannot explain why you do that rather than Israeli hater or anti israeli. Try sticking to the point!

 

Of course they do, for the most part it is a good place to live for israeli citizens be they arab or jew. The average income is far higher than anywhere else.

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Its just a nice diversion tactic they always try. They dont even beleive it themselves. I had people calling me a hater of slavs when I criticised Serbia years ago. All bollocks.

 

Well I for one feel less exceptional in Toronto. In Israel I feel very exeptional. I could be singled out at a moment's notice and be knifed.

On the other hand in Toronto, they don't male me feel too exceptional. No one is targetting me because I am a Jew although a lady once hit me with an umbrella and called me a dirty Jew as I was leaving a funeral which is the only time I wear a yamacha out of respect. It was actually a funeral for a non Jew and I had showered. You done?

 

This is an absolutely absurd measure.

Israel refuses to allow resident Israeli citizens who are Arabs to return to property that is well known to belong to them, due to having left to avoid conflict.

Israel refuses building permits to Arabs based on central planning of city ethnicity.

Israel has pushed to make it official that Jews have more rights than non-Jews in the courts of law.

...and you come along and say everything is cool because of your claim that they allow Palestinians be doctors???

 

Whatever. Nobody has ever said, Israel is a perfect country, they are not. Still, they are the only democracy in the Middle East where Arabs feel safe from other Arabs, and consider Israel good place to live. 70 (*)(*)(*)(*)ing percent of them.

Gimmi a break. If you agree that fundamentally Israel is a better country to live then the most of them, at least in the Middle East, we can keep talking.

 

If you personally only feel exceptional in Israel that is for you to deal with, don't play the victim, do something exceptional in Canada.

I have been called a sheep shagger, a welsh (*)(*)(*)(*) and threatened with a AK47 in Kingston, for being white! You have called me anti-semetic, a jew hater and just recently a holocaust denier. All of the above were baseless insults which never left me with a chip on my shoulder. Not even started!

 

The problem with Israel is how it treats non-Jews.

Their ethnic cleansing in West Bank, their rule of the people there under military law, their 10 years and running of acts of war against Gaza - these are incredibly disruptive to the entire region.

As the head of Mossad said, Israeli policy is a national security problem for America.

When we discuss issues with those in the region, we SAY rule of law, but we SUPPORT Israel.

That undermines everything we want to bring to the region.


So, no, having some Arab doctors in Israel is NOT good enough.

 

Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked is a babe !

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Let's see some babe from the Left.
Probably looks like Hillary, Merkel or Loretta Lynch


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All Quiet with Natalia Poklonskaya for now


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first Canadian woman of Pakistani origin to get into the Senate​

 

But the africaneer didn't consider themselves Dutch... The Israeli for the vast majority consider themselves Jews first.