I never would have thought this would have happened in the U.S.

For someone to get a government issued I.D. to vote cost money in some Republican states, when voting used to be free. And you also need to produce either a BC, passport, or other documentation that also costs money just to get to buy the I.D. Many poor people don't have that money. In the end, it's the perfect Republican crime to keep minorities from voting.

 

Driving is not a constitutional right.

Voting is

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It is in essence...an illegal poll tax.

 

And I think somewhere in the Constitution American citizens have a right to be represented by their own...not by illegals or non-citizens.
Where in the Constitution does it mention the "right" of non citizens a vote and therefore a say in who our elected leaders are?

Voter ID protects the rights of American citizens

 

Many studies have proved it, including the study from my link. If you think you can refute the claim, be my guest. Some have tried with their lists of bogus impersonation claims that never had merit.

Lol! Already played in this rodeo before chief. You aren't that slick. You were asking me about voter suppression while trying to twist back to the I.D. Voter suppression laws are the schemes used, and Voter I.D. is the camouflage used to hide the real crimes of voter suppression. They are two different animals working in tandem trying to accomplish two different things. So trying to switch out on me isn't going to work. Try again!

I don't care.

 

We're being "protected' against something that doesn't happen...and in the process disenfranchising those you would prefer not vote that are legally allowed to.

 

Exactly! Thanks! I forgot that.

 

Maybe the minority are too stupid to figure out to get an ID ?

Can you think of any other reason ?

 

What's so wrong with offering a free ID to citizens a few months before the election? If they can't afford one, they could be given one by applying before the election. I know, it's another "Freebie", but it solves a bunch of problems. On the one hand, you have voter fraud, so we HAVE to ask people for an ID. On the other hand, since ID's cost money and some people maybe broke at the time (they aren't $10 like they used to be), that means it's essentially a "poll tax". So what's so wrong with my solution? Any thoughts?

 

We do? What voter fraud?

I never read anything that actually described a solution, because I never new there was a problem.

 

Where exactly does it say in the Constitution that voting is a "constitutional right" ?

There was a time when only U.S.citizens could vote, today states like California encourage illegal aliens to register to vote and the Democrat party demands that illegal aliens go to the polls and vote as long as they vote the Democrat ticket.

There was a time in America when only property owners could vote.

It took a Constitutional Amendment so women could vote.

So before the 19th Amendment it seems that women didn't have a constitutional right to vote.

 

the 15th,19th,24th,and 26th Amendment.

http://theusconstitution.org/text-history/1621/yes-there-right-vote-constitution

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That never seems to happen. Know why?

because then the people they don't want to vote would be able to...and that's what this is about.

 

I question the validity of a 50,000 person internet poll that underlies their research which they had to manipulate the data to not get the null result of other studies. I don't find this to be solid evidence, let alone overwhelming evidence. The thing that concerns me most is that the data looked at 2008-2012 elections in which there was massive black turnout. There is likely a problem with a red state-blue state skew. Red states are going to be more conservative with smaller populations and blue states are going to be larger with larger black turnout due to Obama. So to model blue states with more blacks than some red states probably have people just feels like they purposefully compared apples and oranges to get the results they wanted.

 

Well I'm just saying that if we don't ask people for an ID when they vote, what is to prevent felons from voting? Or underage people? Or 1 person voting multiple times? Voter fraud may not be a raging epidemic, but I don't think we should open the door to letting it become one, that's all.

Respectfully,

Krash

 

Your source is an extreme left wing "progressive" organization with connections to "Center for American Progress" and "People for the American Way." All three practice revisionism, changing the meaning and definition of words and the intent of the Constitution to further a radical leftist political agenda.

 

Most people start out optimistic ideologues who believe they can save the world. Thus, young people.

As they grow older and wiser most become more conservative.

It isn't that the Republican party is dying off, it's just many of you are too young and still believe the world revolves around you.

 

Why not keep doing the way we've always done, since there hasn't been a problem? So far all I've seen is an invented problem in search of a solution. When everyone knows this is nothing more than invented schemes to cheat. It's what the Right does now.

 

How about instead of a voter ID card, use the thumbprint system like the military does. Tough to pull off a scam using that system.

 

I like that idea, hadn't heard it before. Kudos!

 

Even if that were true, at the end of the day, the Right is purposely inventing a problem that doesn't exist. Voter suppression laws make it harder for people to vote. That's just a fact that no one can mount a logical argument against.

 

Great idea! Problem is, the Right won't except it, just like the idea of mandatory voting. Those two ideas work. And that's the problem.

 

So---------------first of all who did this "study"? Wasnt it probably true that they "proved" their preconceived opinion?

And lastly isnt this racist because it call minorities stupid and incapable of getting an ID?

 

I'm curious. Why don't you tell me which states do charge a fee for voter ID. In the meantime, I can tell you that only 10 states require photo ID voter form. Interestingly enough, one of them is the most liberal - and presidential primary state #1 - New Hampshire.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=15200

 

Perhaps, but I don't see how you can make a logical argument against having an ID. They are kind of an essential part of life. Except for old people who no longer drive and are too decrepit to get to the DMV and whose kids do all their banking, I don''t see how having an ID is a huge burden. Do you think people with no ID work, cash checks, sign up for anything? I don't care that much about the outcome of national elections because both parties suck. I just see arguing this poll tax nonsense the democrats do as enabling people to not even do the most fundamental thing a person can do before they are going to improve their lot in life--make themselves eligible for work.

 

Democrats have had 8 years to change it. Why haven't they?
Do you have ANY idea how many legal documents are necessary to get food stamps?
Again, you realize Democrats have been in charge for 8 years, right?

 

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

NH is not that liberal.

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