Bernie Supports - Envy and Stupidity - A dangerous combination

In real life, people make assertions. They're also called assumptions. We make them all day, every day, it's how people make do in a world of imperfect knowledge. That's how a debate works - not everything can be proven. You can choose to disagree with my assertion (and maybe even make an assertion of your own, go on, I know you can do it! You've yet to do it in the entire thread) but explain why.

Let's start.

What part of my above statements are not true? That people don't vote *mostly* out of self interest? Or that Bernie Sanders voters aren't mostly coming from the "bottom of the barrel" crowd?

 

First I wanted to write down satirically some stereotypes and prejudices which you probably have about communists or lef-leaning people in general, because everyone knows that having even the smallest social conscience equals outright Bolshevik-Leninism and dictatorship. But I decided to just say that this is very sad. Yes. This is sad indeed.

 

I severely doubt many people buy into your "leftist intelligencia" line you're trying to take in this thread. If you were so elite, you would simply, oh my god, find a way to better your condition and you wouldn't have to advocate for a broader, entire change to society.

But...You are apparently incapable of changing your own situation, so you expect society to change to accommodate you right?

 

1. There was only one person in this thread who stated that I'm "so elite" or part of the "leftist intelligentsia". And that person was you. You are basically arguing with yourself. Oh, and you made an assumption about my personal financial situation, too, without knowing anything about me. How cute is that.

2.

There's this thing you so vehemently oppose. It is called solidarity. But I guess since it contradicts social darwinism it equals stupidity and envy according to you. But correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Ladies and gentlemen; ecce homo! No, seriously. You make yourself look bad.

But I decided to just say that this is very sad. Yes. This is sad indeed.

1. I don't care about personal insults, whatever works for you, but to pretend you're not trying to take the high road is a bit ridiculous. Look at your quotes above and be honest about your intent regarding them.

2. To get back on topic, I made a couple assertions (! An assertion! Seriously, I actually made an assertion!) earlier to another poster.

Truth: People vote largely out of self interest.

Truth following that truth: Bernie Sanders supporters are no different. They are mostly at the bottom of the barrel, and so they want socialism and nanny government to prop them up. They will thus vote out of self interest, for Bernie Sanders.

Thoughts?

 

Feel the BURN !!!! That's a "Revolution" burning.

You can blow out a candle but, you cant blow out a fire, once the flame begins to catch the wind will blow it higher.

 

Well that was an other argument with an other user and you derailed our discussion by simply not answeing my point on solidarity, but nevermind.

I think that people who vote for Sanders either do so because they are interested in a social and economic change (but there is nothing wrong with that) or because of this strange and seemingly so alien sentiment "solidarity" or just because they want a radical change since they are fed up with establishment politicians. Or as you declared it so proudly and arrogantly before, out of stupidity and envy. Because you know, social democracy is the ideology of stupidity and envy.

 

1. Why are they interested in social/economic change? Is it out of self interest?

2. If the proposed change is out of self interest, how did they find themselves in a position where they want change? Certainly, there are lots of us who don't want to change the system.

 

1. You can call it self-interest if you want to but it is certainly not self-interest in a Randian sense. (Also, it is more like a collective interest of a group of individuals but whatever.)

2. Some people are born poor and have little to no chance to change that. And not just in the USA, this is a universal problem. People born in poor families have musch less possibilities in life than people who were born in rich families. For the economic elite it is easy to reproduce itself over and over again but for a person from a poor environment it is very hard to achieve financial success. The ethos of hard work however is a false argument in my opinion, for there is a strong factor of luck in it there's also that thing that not everyone wants to be a businessman. People are more than their productivity. And everyone should have a right to a decent life.

 

Same can be said of the 1%.

Even if they are taxed at 90% they still live far better than 99% of the people on earth.

Except they are not taxed that much, and they still want more.

 

This is the definition of envy.

What the rich have has nothing to do with what the poor have in America - your politics are based off of envy. The poor in America live like kings compared to the rest of the world, thanks to our capitalist system. Ask an Indian or Chinese person whether they would rather be middle class in their country or poor in the US. It doesn't matter what others have - that's envy speaking .

 

Bernie has plenty of followers especially the Millennials.