My point was that the numbers are basically the same. Theirs only about twice as many drivers as gun owners.
Twice as many drivers? Shouldn't there then be twice as many auto deaths? But they are almost the same. Hmmmmm
It's unfair to compare auto ACCIDENTS to the whole gun deaths. You need to compare auto accidents with gun accidents. What do you get when you do that?
I was comparing auto deaths to gun deaths. They are almost the same number - - - Updated - - - Are you kidding? LOL
Well DUH. But I'm talking from a statistically honest standpoint. You can compare all gun death to car accidents. So what should you do is compare gun accidents to car accidents.
CZ is on of the few guns I do not have a lot of experience shooting. Are they good out of the box or require a lot of tuning, BTW, I am talking about what you might do for the competition edge and also what would be required for the average shooter for reliability and accuracy with the CZ's? I would presume, and perhaps presume incorrectly, that your guns are tuned for competition. What alterations do you have done? What sights do you use? And, do you have different rigs for different competition events? And, I guess an on topic question is, how does that translate to your choices for CCW? what CZ's would you recommend for what application?
Many CZ's are great out of the box. I would suggest getting extra trigger work on most any gun including CZs for competition. I had CZ Customs build my main gun, its a 75 Shadow. It's versatile because I can shoot Production in USPSA, and SSP or ESP in IDPA. If you want to shoot Limited in USPSA, then an Accushadow or an SPO1 are the way to go. I have a Fiber Optic front sight and a CZ fixed rear. For carry purposes, I prefer polymer guns that don't have external safeties or decockers because they are lighter and more comfortable to wear and less likely to make a mistake if you are in the heat of the moment. I actually carry a Kahr CW9. If a carry gun is not comfortable, it is less likely that you will wear it regularly. If you are looking for top of the line competition guns, then a Czechmate or a Tactical Sport is the way to go. The reason I don't shoot either of those is that I prefer shooting Production and SSP. You have to shoot Limited division with those.
Then you are claiming a two percent hit rate is an acceptable measure of accuracy for those with training? Where the other ninety eight percent of their shots fired may travel make no difference and are irrelevant, regardless of how many bystanders they put at risk? The fact you are even defending an abysmal rate of accuracy, justifying it as being the result of them potentially being under fire at the time, even during times when they are not, undoes your entire argument regarding how only highly skilled individuals should be allowed to have legal access to firearms. If two percent is a hallmark of being highly skilled, are we to assume that those without skill have a percent rate that dips into negative digits?
Gone for a couple days, and this thread gets 12 more pages.... So has the children argument died down as a valid argument yet? Or are butterflies and unicorns still prancing around this thread?
You really think your point is going to get across? People who argue with emotion argue without logic. 99% of firearm related deaths is on purpose as compared to 99% of auto fatalities being accidents. No... your point will not registered with the other side. As I tried pointing out, a doctor is way more likely to kill you than a person with a firearm. Of course, that didn't count either........
i don't even respond to her nonsense anymore. I find it interesting that a non citizen who lives thousands of miles from our country is so fixated on our laws. All I can think of is that she works for some international gun banning conspiracy
When you smash her arguments all she does is start posting cartoons. I kind of enjoy the cartoons so I love when she posts some of her easily defeated arguments.
Nah, I follow and post on an Irish forum dealing matters in Ireland and interestingly enough they have a thread about, as they put it, America's crazy gun culture. Their arguments are lttle different than hers. The major reason go deeper than guns, the social and political culture and the historic differences have resulted in such vastly different cultural mindsets that it is hard make a crossover understanding. They think we are crazy. The analogy on the flip side is that the vast majority of Americans have no understanding of the Troubles that still persist in the North of Ireland... Catholics against the Protestants, right... Uh..no. Few here will ever understand it...I'm originally from there, from the when the Troubles were at their peak and I struggle at times. I cut her slack because it is not likely she can bridge the cultural divide to get a real understanding and put her in a different category than those here living under the protection of the Constitution working to undermine it.
Fairly recent. The Irish pay great attention to happenings in the US. Any time there is a a mafor news event like San Benandino, Oregon, or particularly something with racial overtones it will be picked up in an existing thread or a new one will be started where they argue about how crazy US and guns are. Some of the thread titles I grabbed quickly are, Yee-Had-Dists: Armed Right-Wing Militia Occupy US Another police shooting in the USA with racial overtones What would Ireland be like with U.S. gun control laws? The USA and violence : police , guns and death 14 dead in San Bernardino shooting. Shooting at family planning clinic in the good ol' US of A 6 year old shot dead by police officers in the US Americans and their guns... These are just from one forum I participate with. But, a good one to monitor is politics.ie. They have a lot of thread activity, so you won't see it listed todsy, but if you search for 'Americans Guns' you will see several, many with far more posts than on topics here. You will see my comments as well, I use the same screen name. If they think we have an obsession with guns, they are enormously simultaneously facinated and appalled. I am by far in the minority opinion.
This is very true, I observed it first hand..... Even veteran LE shooters at civilian ranges always make the same comment how well civilian shooters excel.
Only policemen should have guns: Alabama State Trooper Given Plea Deal For A Misdemeanor After Allegedly Raping Motorist After Bogus Arrest This illustrates why prosecution of cops has to be taken away from local prosecutors and judges. Now, I wonder if someone will file bar complaints against the prosecutor and the judge for conflict of interest https://jonathanturley.org/2016/03/...allegedly-raping-motorist-after-bogus-arrest/
Then if you cross over into Mexico and have cash, nobody will ask you for a slip of paper with an Rx for anything from MS to ASA, narcotics, the entire PDR is OTC in Mexico, far more children die everyday from drinking cough syrup accidentally as if it were candy, where is the public outcry when it involves Mexicans, can you say bigotry ?
