American Citizen Taxpayers Are Being Denied Their Right To Vote

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  1. Jack

    Jack New Member

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    You mean whenever they get the power to bilk the taxpayers, right?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you think the right to vote is a privilege and not a right?

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  3. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    I think it should be a privilege, I mean look at Donald Trump. Look at all others who've abused the political system. I mean, Hitler even freaking wrote it in his book "The lower classes of Germany are too dumb". So, why would you allow just about anybody and everyone to vote? There's a reason why the U.S has had a decline from JFK's tragic accident up until now. It's because of low educated voters.

    That being said, it's not on the basis of race, creed, ageism, etc. It's based on voting knowledge. What's your knowledge of the candidates and their position? I think an American should average at least a 70% score(Which would barely be a C- in a grading system.) before voting. Now, I know the grading system doesn't make sense if you scale up to 100 but still :D.

    I think an intelligence test(and to be fair, administered by non-political sources) would do a GREAT deal of healing for our nation.
     
  4. RedDirtWalker

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    Because both parties are crooked and all they are interested in is protecting their power over the country and it's people.

    Until the people decide enough is enough an make a third party of the people and for the people it will always be this way.

    Within the Republican party I think that move is on the verge. If Donald wins the delegates, but the RNC stills goes with Cruz the move may happen.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you'd prefer to do it the DNC and the Debbie Wasserman-Schwartz way of choosing the nominee for the presidency? Have the Democrats in any way given the people a choice to choose who should represent them? I think not.
     
  6. Jack

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    What I would choose if it were worth anything, would be to NOT provide taxpayer's dollars to any political party for their primary elections and party conventions. I think if citizen taxpayers were intellectually and politically astute, they'd be outraged that the Democrats and Republicans bilk them to pay for their party primary elections and Conventions and would demand that State governments stop the ripoff.
     
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    Respectfully, I believe it is the taxpayer's responsibility to fund elections and, by association, the primary "elections" as well. Unfortunately - and a just cause for your perspective, we've developed a "mixed bag" of party election processes over the years that are funded by you, me, them and the "unknown."

    I believe that removing "private dollars" from our election process would better serve America.
     
  8. cupAsoup

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    Laws like voter ID in a lot of red states are meant to suppress the vote of poor and minority citizens. Many of whom would not vote republican. As the demographic that supports right wing nonsense slowly but surely dies off, and without being able to connect with young people, republicans have come to the conclusion that cheating is the only way they can win when turnout is high.

    The fallacy of voter fraud is championed as way to rig the vote for their side.
     
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    The Libertarian Party is on most state general election ballots

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    But not all.
     
  11. Jack

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    Respectfully, I disagree. I, like our first President Washington oppose political parties all together. I believe they're simply unnecessary corrupt special interest. I'm outraged that the biased crooks in the duopoly Democrat/Republican cartel spend millions of taxpayer's dollars on their "private" party elections and conventions.

    Do you promote a taxpayer funding of all of the several 3rd political parties activities in America?
     
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    Considering the extent most voters are totally politically uninformed and apathetic and the fact that there’s little to nothing preventing the Democrats in power in the blue states from registering non-citizens, I favor a voter test as well as photo ID. Every voter should have to pass a verbal test proving they know what all of the 10 amendments to the Bill Of Rights guarantee.

    Idiots in political offices are put there by idiots that vote.

    Funny how poor and minority voters have no problem finding their way to the welfare offices and applying for a share of other people’s money, but somehow they’re “victims” when required to get and present proof they’re citizens before they can vote, huh?

    They’re offered free IDs if only they prove they’re citizens. How’s that rigging anything?
     
  13. cupAsoup

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    Good thing you are in charge of jack and squat, and jack skipped town. Exactly what does being able to memorize the amendments to the bill of rights prove? It proves that you can memorize text, nothing more.

    Republicans are fearful of more turnout since they tend to lose when turnout is high and win when it isn't. Look at the presidential and midterm elections for proof.
     
  14. ChristopherABrown

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    What if partisan politics was purified with our lawful and peaceful revolution? How would we, citizens of states, see candidates elected? What would we change? Would we make our states have consistency and security then see that instituted federally?
     
  15. Jack

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    Like you said, while answering your own question, it proves that they actually read the Constitution at least the Bill Of Rights and you might consider that some of it, if not all of it, may have soaked in to their gray matter, as opposed to them being little more than brainwashed tree bark voting for 30 second TV propaganda.

    So the leftist propaganda proposes, while the rightist propose that Democrats are afraid that they won't have it so easy registering non-citizens to vote.

    I personally am not interested in the right/left propaganda. I'm only interested in a logical protection and regulation that provides some assurance that only American citizens are voting and they're intellectually astute enough to know the nation is a Constitutional Republic and what the folks and their constitutional individual rights are. How about you?
     
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    "Peaceful partisan" is an oxymoron!
     
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    Yet some of your quotes seem pulled straight from the fox news talking points about the fallacy of voter fraud.
    Sorry, that's not how our republic was set up. While I would like smarter and more informed voters to vote more, 'intellectually astute' is very subjective and impossible to define as a criteria for voting. If we had an intelligence test, there would be no one voting for Drumpf.
     
  18. Jack

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    What I say is pulled directly from my personal opinions and beliefs. I never noticed Fox promoting a constitutional test to vote, have you? Oh! that's right leftist aren't allowed to watch Fox, it's forbidden in the leftist manifesto.

    If we had an intelligence test especially a Constitution knowledge test, the Democrats and Republicans would only qualify 10% of eligible voters.



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    You would call that democracy?
    I'm sorry, I just don't buy being able to memorize some text makes someone intelligent. People often read words and fail to understand the meaning behind them. It's also a fallacy to assume that someone isn't a good american and/or intelligent because they cannot recite the bill of rights.
     
  20. ChristopherABrown

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    Well, apples and oranges for sure. But after our lawful and peaceful
    revolution, partisan politics will at least be functional and lead away from violence. As it is, the extreme dysfunction has patriots moving towards violence as LaVoy well knows.
     
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    Which citizens exactly are being denied their right to vote?
     
  22. Jack

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    Democracy is mob rule! Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch!

    I don't call America the misnomer "democracy" I call America correctly a "Constitutional Republic."


    I'm sorry but someone memorizing some text makes them MORE intelligent than they were before they memorized the text unless they're mentally retarded.

    And some people don't, are you speaking for other people or yourself?

    Nobody said anybody had to "recite" anything. I only proposed that "in order to register and vote, voters should have to articulate verbally what each of the 10 amendments of the Bill Of Rights guarantees.

    A "good American" is subjective!
     
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    Taxpaying citizens in the duopoly's closed PARTY primary elections who are denied the right to vote ballots they paid for because they aren't registered as members of one of the duopoly parties identified on a particular ballot. As long as taxpayers are bilked to pay for the duopoly's primary elections and conventions for millions of dollars, the parties are in fact "state government operations" and subject to the 14th amendment's "equal protection" clause and all election ballots must be open to "ALL" citizen voters.
     
  24. Professor Peabody

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    You can always register as an independent. ;)
     
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    In closed primaries, independents cannot vote in the duopoly's rigged primary elections even though their State government uses their tax dollars to house the duopoly's rigged primary elections, tax dollars pay the utility bills and even print up the duopoly's party ballots for them and or allow them to use the taxpayer's voting machinery all to pick a PARTY candidate. Furthermore government also pays for the duopoly parties conventions with taxpayers dollars.
     

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