Is this first "Trump" flip/flop the first of many more to come?

The first? Trump flip-flops on any positions he takes, other than his make-work stimulus program "The Wall." He's already said he likes the individual mandate, then decided he didn't like the individual mandate.

Regardless, we're sure to get a treat when the rest of us are able to experience his greatness.

 

Indeed it should, but we only have that power during the relatively short pre-election periods, after which we become subservient to them again whichever party has come to power. But hey, that's 'democracy' for you??

 

From today's news, so do we.

"British government suppressing key documents on allegations of UK collusion in torture and rendition"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lusion-in-torture-and-rendition-a6914666.html

 

How would they know you're not a terrorist?

 

Agreed. Nothing will lose him Republican voters like being against torture.

 

They could use the old test to determine if a woman is a witch. Hold them under water for five minutes and if they don't drown they are a witch.

 

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Is it ok for the jihadis to torture Americans as well?

 

I don't care what terrorists "know" about me. They already want me dead merely for being an American and westerner.

Hope they can hold their breath.

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No-but that wont stop them, will it?

 

So your position is that America should sink to the lowest common denominator.

 

What a surprise. You appear to have misunderstood my question.

In the "they" part of the question I was referring to your own people. So let's try again:

How would "they" know you're not a terrorist?

 

That's what idiots like Trump are suggesting-not me.

 

Speaking of taking someone to school, Trump has always said he knows he's not a politician at this point, and would appoint experts to his staff and let them do their jobs.

This is a prime preview of that.

/now you know.

 

True, I don't hold international laws in high regard myself. I actually think in holding ourselves back, conflict has lasted longer(even if more lives may have been "spared"). Imagine if we went full throttle against the terrorist organizations. No ISIS, no nothing.

Higher casualties? Yeah, but who gives a crap? The war's over . Instead, we're (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)footing around and this is the result.

 

Worked well in Vietnam. Actually we went all out in Iraq. Defeated the military with no problem and created a terrorist problem that continues to grow.

 

When the campaign first started, I was going to order a few "Make America Great Again" Trump sweatshirts and hats. But time, truth, and reality have cured me of that. Now I'm thinking of buying clothing with the "Dump Trump" slogan on them.

 

Good Lord, he's an idiot! You would expect a billionaire running for president to be more suave and mature. He acts like a spoiled child. I would love find out his grades at Wharton.

 

The whole world is in a race to the bottom. Really depressing, because we need a fast race to the top to save this beat up, over populated planet and the people on it.

 

Let's hope that he doesn't have nearly as many as Hillary. This is part 1:


The Top 20 Recent Flip Flops Of The Democrat Frontrunner Whose Biggest Rival On Stage Might Be Herself

The Associated Press Headline: "Trade Deal, Keystone Open Clinton To Flip-Flop Charges" (Ken Thomas and Lisa Lerer, "Trade Deal, Keystone Open Clinton To Flip-Flop Charges," The Associated Press, 10/8/15)

FREE TRADE FLIP FLOPS

#1 Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)

FLIP: As Secretary Of State, Clinton Took "A Leading Part In Drafting The Trans-Pacific Partnership." "She's pressed the case for U.S. business in Cambodia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other countries in China's shadow. She's also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a free trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors." (Elizabeth Dwoskin and Indira Laksmanan, "How Hillary Clinton Created A U.S. Business-Promotion Machine," Bloomberg, 1/10/13)

Clinton Had Said The Trans-Pacific Partnership "Sets The Gold Standard In Trade Agreements." "[We] need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. Australia is a critical partner. This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment." (Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton, Remarks at Techport Australia , 11/15/12)
FLOP: Earlier This Month, Clinton Publicly Announced Her Opposition To The TPP. "After months of delicately avoiding expressing an opinion on the controversial trade deal, Mrs. Clinton said the agreement in its current form did not meet her high bar for protecting American workers, the environment and advancing national security… But while Mrs. Clinton's opposition to the trade pact could do much to appease Democratic voters and labor unions that have seized on the deal as a symbol for the perils of globalization, her decision to repudiate a major legislative goal of Mr. Obama's - one she initially supported - carries significant political risks." (Amy Chozick, "Hillary Clinton Opposes Obama's Trade-Pacific Trade Deal," The New York Times , 10/7/15)

#2 U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS)

FLIP: In 2012, Clinton Called The U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement A "Historic Milestone That Will Lead To Even More Trade And Investment Between Our Two Countries." CLINTON: "Today, the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) enters into force, marking an historic milestone that will lead to even more trade and investment between our two countries. KORUS will provide new market access opportunities in Korea's dynamic trillion dollar economy for U.S. exporters, creating jobs here at home while increasing opportunities for Korean companies in the United States. This agreement is another example of this Administration's commitment to deepening our economic engagement throughout the world." ( Press Release, "U.S., Korea Free Trade Agreement Takes Effect," U.S. State Department, 3/15/12)

FLOP: Earlier This Month, Clinton Announced That She Opposed The U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement. CLINTON: "I think that there are still a lot of unanswered questions, but for me, it really comes down to those three points that I made, and the fact that we've learned a lot about trade agreements in the past years. Sometimes they look great on paper. I know when President Obama came into office, he inherited a trade agreement with South Korea. I, along with other members of the Cabinet, pushed hard to get a better agreement. We think we made improvements. Now looking back on it, it doesn't have the results we thought it would have in terms of access to the market, more exports, et cetera." (PBS's "News Hour," 10/7/15)

#3 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)

FLIP: In 2006, Clinton Said That She "Thinks NAFTA Has Been A Boon To The Economy." "CLINTON: Clinton thinks NAFTA has been a boon to the economy, but voted against the Central American-Dominican Republic Free Trade Agreement, saying it would drive jobs offshore." (Michael Rothfeld, "Newsday's Guide To Politics And Politicians," [New York] Newsday, 9/11/06)

FLOP: In August 2007, Clinton Said "NAFTA And The Way It's Been Implemented Has Hurt A Lot Of American Workers." QUESTION: "Let's move on to another important topic for this audience in particular, the subject of trade. Senator Edwards had touched on this, Senator Clinton. Over the weekend, this past weekend, you expressed some disappointment that NAFTA, in your words, did not realize the benefits that it was promised - it promised, rather. How would you fix it?" CLINTON: "Well, I had said that for many years, that, you know, NAFTA and the way it's been implemented has hurt a lot of American workers. In fact, I did a study in New York looking at the impact of NAFTA on business people, workers and farmers who couldn't get their products into Canada despite NAFTA. So, clearly we have to have a broad reform in how we approach trade. NAFTA's a piece of it, but it's not the only piece of it." (Sen. Hillary Clinton, AFL-CIO Presidential Candidates Forum, Chicago, IL, 8/7/07)

After Promoting Her Husband's Trade Agenda For Years And Lobbying For The Passage Of NAFTA, Clinton Moved Away From Her Husband's Policies During Her 2008 Campaign. "Clinton promoted her husband's trade agenda for years, and friends say that she is a free-trader at heart. 'The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,' she said in a 1997 speech. Now, she is moving away from her husband's policies by opposing a trade deal with South Korea and raising questions about NAFTA. 'We just can't keep doing what we did in the 20th Century,' Clinton said in a March interview." (Kim Chipman and Nicholas Johnston, "Edwards's Stance On Trade May Attract Union Support," Bloomberg, 8/7/07)
#4 Colombia Free Trade Agreement

FLIP: In 2008, Clinton Opposed A Free Trade Agreement With Colombia, Pledging To Defeat It And Claiming She'd Do "Everything I Can" To Reject It. "Speaking about the Colombia trade deal at a Washington meeting of the Communications Workers of America union, Clinton proclaimed: 'As I have said for months, I oppose the deal. I have spoken out against the deal, I will vote against the deal, and I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement.'" ("Clinton Reiterates Opposition To Colombia Trade Pact," Los Angeles Times, 4/9/0

FLOP: As Secretary Of State, Clinton Said "We Are Absolutely Committed To Passing The U.S.-Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement." CLINTON: "And of course, we are absolutely committed to passing the U.S.-Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement to open new markets and create jobs and opportunities for both of our peoples." (Hillary Clinton, Remarks With Colombian Foreign Minister Maria Angela Holguin, Washington, DC, 5/31/11)

#5 Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA-DR)

FLIP: Clinton, On The Day CAFTA First Passed The Senate In 2005: "This Is A Sad Day For Supporters Of Free And Fair Rules-Based Trade." CLINTON: "This is a sad day for supporters of free and fair rules-based trade. Our relationship with our Central American neighbors is a critical one. The right CAFTA deal would strengthen ties between the U.S. and these nations. I urge the Administration to reopen the CAFTA negotiations and re-establish the broad, bipartisan coalition for trade."(Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 6/30/05, S. 7731)

FLOP: As Secretary Of State, Clinton Touted Her Efforts Relating To CAFTA And Said "We've Worked To Promote Growth And Create Jobs Through … Multilateral Pacts Like NAFTA And CAFTA-DR." CLINTON: "In our region, prosperity has widened in recent decades. We've worked to promote growth and create jobs through sound fiscal policy, bilateral trade agreements, multilateral pacts like NAFTA and CAFTA-DR, and institutions like the Inter-American Development Bank." (Secretary Hillary Clinton, Remarks At Pathways To Prosperity Ministerial, San Jose, Costa Rica, 3/4/10)

TAXES AND SPENDING FLIP FLOPS

#6 Raising The U.S. Debt Limit

FLIP: In March 2006, Clinton Called A Vote To Increase The Debt Limit "A Failure Of Fiscal Discipline … A Failure Of Foresight, Vision And Above All A Failure Of Leadership." CLINTON: "Today's vote to increase the federal debt limit to nearly $9 trillion represents a profound failure of this Administration's and Republican Congress' policies. It is not only a failure of fiscal discipline. It is a failure of foresight, vision and above all a failure of leadership." (Press Release, "Sen. Clinton Issues Statement On Senate Vote To Increase Federal Debt Limit," Sen. Hillary Clinton, 3/16/06)

As A Senator Clinton Voted Against Raising The Debt Limit Three Times. (S.2578, Roll Call Vote #148 : Passed 68-29: R 31-15; D 36-14; I 1-0, 7/11/02, Clinton Voted Nay; S.2578, Roll Call Vote #148 : Passed 68-29: R 31-15; D 36-14; I 1-0, 7/11/02, Clinton Voted Nay; H.J.Res.47, Roll Call Vote #54 : Passed 52-48: R 51-3; D 1-44; I 0-1, 3/16/06, Clinton Voted Nay)
FLOP: In 2014, Clinton Described Increasing The Debt Ceiling As "Common Sense" And Suggested She Was "Praying" Congress Would Vote To Raise It . CLINTON: "If you remember July 2011, some in Congress were talking about defaulting on our debts. And remember these are debts Congress had already voted for and appropriated money for. It wasn't about anything in the future. It was all about will you be good for what you've already spent and borrowed. I was at this kind of Chamber of Commerce type event in Hong Kong and I was meeting with all of these Asian business leaders. None of them could understand. They were lining up to say to me, 'what is going on? Is America really willing to risk its credit? Could America still be counted on as the global leader?' I reassured them as best I could, and I said 'oh don't worry about. We do these things from time to time but we will come to our senses and get it worked out.' Then of course I was praying that common sense would make a comeback." (Hillary Clinton, Remarks In Broomfield, CO, 6/2/14)

#7 Raising Payroll Taxes

FLIP: In 2008, Clinton Had "Flatly Rejected" An Increase To The Taxable Payroll Limit, Disagreeing With A Plan Candidate Obama Had Put Forward To Raise The Taxable Limit. "At a town hall here Tuesday, she said she'd be open to a Social Security tax increase proposed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), her radical rival in the primary. During the 2008 campaign, Clinton had flatly rejected such an increase. Her comments this week could suggest that she has warmed to the idea, or that she is responding to a broader shift to the left among Democrats." (Max Ehrenfreund and Anne Gearan, "Clinton Is Open To Raising Social Security Taxes On Six-Figure Earners," The Washington Post , 8/12/15)

FLOP: At A Recent Town Hall, Clinton Called The Current Limits "Unfair" Before Then "Suggesting An Increase In The Limit." "Clinton was responding to a question from the audience at a community college about the fact that the wealthy and upper middle class don't pay Social Security taxes on anything they earn above a certain amount. That limit is $118,500 this year. 'I can understand why you'd think that was unfair,' the former U.S. senator and secretary of state said, before suggesting an increase in the limit." (Max Ehrenfreund and Anne Gearan, "Clinton Is Open To Raising Social Security Taxes On Six-Figure Earners," The Washington Post , 8/12/15)

FOREIGN POLICY FLIP FLOPS

#8 Arming Syrian Rebels

FLIP: As Secretary Of State, "Clinton Publicly Expressed Doubt With Arming The Rebels." "As secretary of state, though, Clinton publicly expressed doubt with arming the rebels. 'What are we going to arm them with and against what,' Clinton told CBS in February 2012. 'You are not going to bring tanks over the borders of Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan - that's not going to happen. So maybe at the best you can smuggle in, you know, automatic weapons.'" (Dan Merica, "Clinton Dances Between Loyalty And Self-Interest," CNN, 8/13/14)

As Secretary, Clinton Expressed A Concern That Arming The Syrian Rebels Could Lead To Weapons Going To Al Qaeda. "Another administration concern is that weapons might go to al Qaeda. 'We know al Qaeda [leader Ayman al-] Zawahiri is supporting the opposition in Syria. Are we supporting al Qaeda in Syria? Hamas is now supporting the opposition. Are we supporting Hamas in Syria?' Clinton said. 'If you're a military planner or if you're a secretary of state and you're trying to figure out do you have the elements of an opposition that is actually viable, that we don't see. We see immense human suffering that is heartbreaking.'" " (Wyatt Andrews, "Clinton: Arming Syrian Rebels Could Help Al Qaeda," CBS News, 2/27/12)
FLOP: Clinton Now Advocates For Arming The Syrian Rebels. "Hillary Rodham Clinton put some distance between herself and the Obama administration's handling of the fight against Islamic State militants, saying she had pushed, unsuccessfully, to do more early on to help Syrian moderate forces in the fight against President Bashar Assad. 'I believed that they would be more likely to work with the United States and the West if we supported them early,' Clinton said in the morning email newsletter theSkimm." (Michael A. Memoli, "Clinton Distances Herself From Obama On Islamic State," Los Angeles Times, 7/30/15)

#9 Syria's Bashar Al Assad's "Reformer" Credentials

FLIP: In 2011, Clinton Said Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad Was "A Reformer." CLINTON: "There's a different leader in Syria now. Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer." (CBS's "Face The Nation," 3/27/11)

FLOP: Last Month, Clinton Claimed That As Secretary, She Viewed Assad As The "Principal Threat In The Syrian Conflict Because Of His "Ruthless Behavior Toward His Own People." CLINTON "You know, Al, I had a different strategy back when I was secretary of state. I can't sit here today and tell you that if my strategy had been followed we'd be in a different place because this has so much of a dynamic of its own. What I believed then is that Assad was the principle threat because his bombarding and his ruthless behavior toward his own people was going to create more terrorists, it was going to create refugees, it was going to destabilize neighboring countries. All that has come to pass." (MSNBC Live, Hillary Clinton Interview With Al Sharpton, 9/30/15)

#10 U.S. Embargo On Cuba

FLIP: While Campaigning For Senate Seat In 2000, Clinton Said "She Would Oppose Lifting The Embargo Against Cuba Until Democracy Took Root There." "In her speech, Mrs. Clinton discussed several specific issues that she would likely deal with as senator. She said she would oppose lifting the embargo against Cuba until democracy took root there." (Dean E. Murphy, "Mrs. Clinton Suggests That U.S. Engage Aggressively In World Affairs," The New York Times , 10/18/00)

FLOP: In July 2015, Clinton Called For A Lift Of The U.S. Embargo Against Cuba. "Saying 'America's approach to Cuba is at a crossroads,' Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton called for an end to the 53-year-old Cuban trade embargo in Miami on Friday. The former secretary of state's chosen location of Florida International University was significant for two reasons: Clinton delivered the message in the heart of the Cuban exile community, which is divided over the issue, and did it at a college campus, where the crowd tilted younger and, according to polls, more likely to support lifting the controversial measure." (Michael Vasquez and Jenny Luna, "Hillary Clinton In Miami: Lift The Embargo Against Cuba," Miami Herald, 7/31/15)

PolitiFact: "Clinton Has Made A Full Change Of Position" On Cuba, So We Rate It A Full Flop." "In her 2000 campaign for Senate, Clinton clearly stated that she wasn't ready to lift the Cuba embargo. During her first bid for president in 2007, she repeatedly called for reforms in Cuba before any such changes to the embargo. But by 2014, she was a critic of the embargo and said it hadn't achieved it's goals. In a speech in Miami on July 31, Clinton forcefully stated that she believes it is time to drop the embargo. Clinton has made a full change of position, so we rate it a Full Flop." (Amy Sherman, "Did Hilary Clinton Change Position On The Cuba Embargo?" PolitiFact, 8/3/15)
#11 Iran's Right To Enrich Uranium

FLIP: Clinton Said In 2010 That Iran Could Enrich Uranium For Civilian Purposes. "Mrs Clinton also told the BBC that Iran can enrich uranium for civilian purposes in the future, a rare statement for an American official. Washington has always been vague when asked whether Iran should one day be allowed to enrich its own uranium for civilian energy. But Mrs Clinton told the BBC that Iran can enrich uranium for civilian purposes at some future date once it has demonstrated it can do so in a responsible manner and in accordance with Iran's international obligations." (Kim Ghattas, "Clinton Urges Iran To Fully Engage In Nuclear Talks," BBC, 12/3/10)

FLOP: Clinton, August 2014: "I've Always Been In The Camp That Held That [Iran] Did Not Have A Right To Enrichment." GOLDBERG: "It seems that you've shifted your position on Iran's nuclear ambitions. By [chief U.S. negotiator] Wendy Sherman's definition of maximalism, you've taken a fairly maximalist position-little or no enrichment for Iran. Are you taking a harder line than your former colleagues in the Obama administration are taking on this matter?" CLINTON: It's a consistent line. I've always been in the camp that held that they did not have a right to enrichment. Contrary to their claim, there is no such thing as a right to enrich. This is absolutely unfounded. There is no such right. I am well aware that I am not at the negotiating table anymore, but I think it's important to send a signal to everybody who is there that there cannot be a deal unless there is a clear set of restrictions on Iran. The preference would be no enrichment. The potential fallback position would be such little enrichment that they could not break out. So, little or no enrichment has always been my position." (Jeffrey Goldberg, "Hillary Clinton: 'Failure' To Help Syrian Rebels Led To The Rise Of ISIS," The Atlantic , 8/10/14)

Under The Nuclear Agreement, Iran Will Be Permitted To Enrich Uranium And Maintain A 3.67 Percent Uranium Level At Its Natanz Facility. "The deal reduces the number of Iranian centrifuges by two-thirds. It places bans on enrichment at key facilities, and limits uranium research and development to the Natanz facility. The deal caps uranium enrichment at 3.67 percent and limits the stockpile to 300 kg, all for 15 years." (Jethro Mullen And Nic Robertson, "Landmark Deal Reached On Iran Nuclear Program," CNN, 7/14/15)
ENERGY FLIP FLOPS

#12 Keystone XL Pipeline
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FLIP: Clinton Once Favored Construction Of The Keystone XL Pipeline. "As secretary of state, Clinton was seen as initially favoring construction of the pipeline. '[W]e are inclined to do so,' Clinton said during a 2010 speaking engagement when asked about approving new tar sands pipelines. 'We're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dirty oil from Canada." (Alex Seitz-Wald, "Hillary Clinton (Finally) Comes Out Against Keystone Pipeline," MSNBC, 9/22/15)

In October 2010, Clinton Said She Was "Inclined" To Approve The Keystone XL Pipeline Because "We're Either Going To Be Dependent On Dirty Oil From The Gulf Or Dirty Oil From Canada." QUESTION: "Another international issue that you signed in on last year was the Alberta Clipper, a pipeline from Alberta that brings tar sands, oil sands directly into Wisconsin to the U.S. Midwest. This is some of the dirtiest fuel in the world. And how can the U.S. be saying climate change is a priority when we're mainlining some of the dirtiest fuel that exists." CLINTON: "Well, there hasn't been a final decision made. It is…" QUESTION: "Are you willing to reconsider it?" CLINTON: "Probably not. (Laughter.) And we -- but we haven't finish all of the analysis. So as I say, we've not yet signed off on it. But we are inclined to do so and we are for several reasons -- going back to one of your original questions -- we're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dirty oil from Canada. And until we can get our act together as a country and figure out that clean, renewable energy is in both our economic interests and the interests of our planet. I mean, I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone how deeply disappointed the President and I are about our inability to get the kind of legislation through the Senate that the United States was seeking." (Hillary Clinton, Remarks On Innovation And American Leadership To The Commonwealth Club Of California , San Francisco, CA, 10/15/10)
FLOP: Last Month, Clinton Announced That She Opposed Construction Of The Keystone XL Pipeline. "Hillary Clinton moved from being 'inclined' to support the controversial Keystone XL pipeline to announcing Tuesday that she'd oppose it. The move that comes as the former secretary of state seeks the Democratic presidential nomination and felt pressure from rival candidates as well as environmentalists and progressives." (Theodore Schleifer, "Hillary Clinton's 5 Takes On The Keystone Pipeline," CNN, 9/22/15)

Clinton: "Therefore I Oppose It And I Oppose It Because I Don't Think, I Don't Think It's In The Best Interests Of What We Need To Do Combat Climate Change." (Hillary Clinton, Remarks At A Community Forum In Des Moines, IA, 9/22/15)
#13 Ethanol Mandate

FLIP: "Clinton Opposed The Ethanol Mandate In The Senate In 2002 And Called It A 'Tax.'" (Timothy Cama, "Clinton Meets With Ethanol Representatives," The Hill, 4/15/15)

FLOP: In 2008, Clinton Announced That She Was "Strongly Supportive" Of An Ethanol Mandate. "But when she ran in the 2008 presidential election, Clinton was strongly supportive of the renewable standard, which is widely supported in Iowa, whose economy depends large on the corn that makes most ethanol. She said ethanol provides one of the best chances toward 'limiting our dependence on foreign oil.'" (Timothy Cama, "Clinton Meets With Ethanol Representatives," The Hill, 4/15/15)

IMMIGRATION FLIP FLOPS

#14 Deportation Of Illegal Immigrants Working In The United States

FLIP: Clinton In 2003: "I Am, You Know, Adamantly Against Illegal Immigrants." "We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work." (Hillary Clinton, John Gambling Radio Show , February 2003)

FLOP: Clinton Now Says She "Would Go Further" Than Obama On Illegal Immigration And "Shield Some Illegal Immigrants From Deportation." "In recent weeks, Clinton has called for reforming the nation's criminal justice system to reduce the number of people in prison. The policies she backed tacitly repudiated some of the tough-on-crime moves of her husband's administration which helped boost incarceration rates. She has advocated an immigration policy that would go further than President Obama to shield some illegal immigrants from deportation." (David Lauter, "Clinton Has Shifted Left, But So Have Americans," Los Angeles Times, 5/22/15)

#15 Driver's Licenses For Illegal Immigrants

FLIP: In 2008, Clinton Opposed Driver's Licenses For Illegal Immigrants. "As a presidential candidate in 2008, she opposed gay marriage, equivocated on granting driver's licenses to people who were living in the U.S. illegally and endured heavy criticism from rival Barack Obama over her stance on campaign finance." (Lisa Lerer, "Clinton Patches Relations With Liberals At Campaign's Outset," The Associated Press , 4/19/15)

FLOP: Earlier This Year, Clinton Said She Supports Driver's Licenses For Illegal Immigrants. "Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Thursday spoke out in favor of giving driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants, taking a firm stance on an issue that hurt her during the 2008 election after she seemed intentionally vague on her position…The statement -- simple and straightforward as it is -- is the latest example of Clinton's effort to avoid the pitfalls that doomed her 2008 bid for the Democratic nomination. During that election, she came under fire from her opponents for giving a vague and contradictory answer about her position during a primary debate." (Jose A DelReal, "This Time, Hillary Clinton Supports Giving Driver's Licenses To Undocumented Immigrants," The Washington Post , 4/16/15)

#16 Sanctuary Cities

FLIP: In 2007, Clinton Advocated For Local Law Enforcement To Ignore Federal Agencies Requests. RUSSERT: "But you would allow the sanctuary cities to disobey the federal law?" CLINTON: "Well, I don't think there is any choice. The ICE groups go in and raid individuals, but if you're a local police chief and you're trying to solve a crime that you know people from the immigrant community have information about, they may not talk to you if they think you're also going to be enforcing the immigration laws. Local law enforcement has a different job than federal immigration enforcement. The problem is the federal government has totally abdicated its responsibility." (Hillary Clinton, 2007 Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate at Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, 9/26/07)

FLOP: In July 2015, Clinton Stated That San Francisco Should Have Listened To The Department Of Homeland Security's Request To Deport This Criminal. CLINTON: "Well, what should be done is any city should listen to the Department of Homeland Security, which as I understand it urged them to deport this man again after he got out of prison another time. Here's a case where we've deported, we've deported, we've deported, he ends back up in our country. And I think the city made a mistake. The city made a mistake not to deport someone that the federal government strongly felt should be deported." (CNN's " The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer," 7/7/15)

 

I find that line of thinking wrong and harmful. If you call people out for a stereotype and they don't fit the stereotype, then you have no credibility. I would call many of them ignorant. Many of his supporters don't understand the political system, but just know that what their parents took for granted a generation ago is not working for them. Most of his supporters might not remember what he said yesterday. Many won't care. They're too busy doing other things.

Capitalising on ignorance is good politics. Usually, a politician will go after youth, like how Obama did it. Republicans exploited the foolish things that newly moblised supporters said. I remember the videoclip of the woman claiming that Obama is going to put gas in my car because it was linked on this site incessantly. It's more succinct than 'Obama's policies will be favourable to working class people that will allow for a growth in people's standards of living so that it won't be so difficult to acquire the necessities.' I would hesitate to put too much into nonsense that his supporters say.

That being said, unlike Obama, Trump is a populist. He will say anything to get elected. People generally like that. It makes them feel like they're being listened to. I fear the day that Trump is elected and does not have to listen to the people, but it's unlikely. He's a rich guy who inherited money. He's developed an image of himself as one who makes deals and does not compromise. That crap doesn't work in government where everything is a compromise. Also, I don't trust business people who claim that they are going to run government like a business. The parts that can be run like businesses are often sold off or contracted out. Governments run under different constraints and mandates than corporations. It could also be that if he is elected that he would face obstruction from both parties and Bernie "Bernie" Sanders so that he couldn't get any bills to sign.

 

The transition in Iraq left a lot to be desired. I don't think I was the only one who thought "democracy" in Iraq was impossible. There was never a time in Iraq's history where it was going to be a democracy. At best, it should have been a transitional government and then into some kind of monarchy like Morocco or Saudi Arabia.

 

Government is entirely a business. You pass bills like you pass budgets, project plans which are subject to final approval(the CEO/President.) The CEO/President then either accepts the plan, or sends it back for revision. The only REASON you think it's not a business, is the incompetence of the two parties. Who couldn't work together unless viewed in "mutual interests". And even then, the other party doesn't want to be caught "holding the bag" for a bad bill passed.

So because the passing or non-passing of a bill dictates their jobs, what you have all too often is a bunch of self-interested morons trying to preserve their jobs. And as long as this dilemma exists, political ideology is irrelevant. That's why I'm gravitated towards Nationalism. Can you imagine if the branch of Congress were ran by a one-party State?

That dilemma I just got done explaining to you, doesn't exist. The One Party State has in its conception, the ideology it wants to move ahead on and there's little to no compromising necessary. Two-party States are an epic fail. Even Britain's multinational party parliament is WAY better, because no one is able to pass legislation without courting votes, sometimes of even the tiniest parties.

As long as TWO parties exist, the US will struggle to have a comprehensive form of government.

 

And then there was Vietnam. Glad to see you understand that in a bad cause even overwhelming use of force is no guarantee of success.

 

I guess he was for it, before he was against it.

 

""Fascism is against the destructiveness of the left and the backwardness of the right" - Benito Mussolini

"It originated as a movement in which one man alone believed, then a band of martyrs, then finally a population and then a Nation!"-Benito Mussolini"

il grande Duce!