Obfuscate much? By your formula, there would have to be at least 318 Million gun owners. We have in fact become the majority of voting age American adults, but not by that much.
Did you miss the part about the increase of attendance in firearm safety courses. These are beginner classes. My experience and hundreds of my colleagues, are astonished at the first time gun owner explosion. I love training these newbies, many many are women. Everyone in the industry knows that there are record setting new gun owners. It's only the anti gunners that are holding tightly to small sample polls to stake their claim of existing owners hoarding guns. You need to re examine your math. There were approx 100 million gun owners when Obama took office.
You have completely misread, and misunderstood, my "formula". Notably, that it relates to the number of firearms - not the number of owners.
You're making the same mistake as Regular Joe - confounding firearms with owners. And no, I didn't miss your point about attendance at firearm safety courses, I addressed the point in my reply.
You said "Every third gun owner". Firearms don't make purchases. For your argument to make sense, EVERY Legal gun owner in America would have to have made at least one new purchase and then some since Obama took office. That number is rapidly growing at about 41,000 per day.
I think you need to go back and start at the beginning, remembering to distinguish between gun sales and gun owners, that "every third owner" is an example, and try to grasp the concept of the "formula" as you call it. The point is, that large increases in firearms sales need not equate to large increases in gun owners. For instance, if there are 80,000,000 gun owners, all it takes is for every fifth owner to buy an extra gun to generate 16,000,000 firearm sales. No new owners required.
And yet there has been absolutely no evidence presented to suggest that this is truly the case. Why should it be believed?
Even I can do this. 106 million. If you want every THIRD gun owner, meaning ONE THIRD of all gun owners to reach that number, you need 318 Million gun owners. Don't worry. We are far from expecting you to understand your own obfuscation.
Every stat in the industry points to an explosion of new gun owners. Firearm instructors across the country are reporting record numbers of newbies taking their basic safety classes. You only have a limited sample poll that you cling to.
Evidentally, you can't do this - grasp the concept illustrated by hypotheticals. So, to help you do this, I'll repost this alternate example: If there are 80,000,000 gun owners, and every fifth owner buys an extra gun, this will generate 16,000,000 firearm sales - no new owners required. The point being, that huge sales do not necessarily equate to new owners.
There's certainly plenty of data relating to gun sales, but which actual stats indicate an explosion of new gun owners?
Every stat in the industry is convoluted to meet their goals. The truth is, you walk into any gun store and you will find a higher percent of your new buyers buying guns for others who can't or won't pass a back ground check if the want a new gun. They often case the shop with the inelegible buyer and buy later for them. No harm, no foul. If a used gun suffices, they go to one of the seven thousand gun shows and buy from the 40% who are un restricted private dealers. The truth is NO ONE knows for sure how many new gun owners there are, especially when the commodity of exchange on the secondary market is drugs. The gun makers love this burgeoning market where every gun with a serial used in a murder is more then likely disposed of and in need of a replacement. Death rates by firearms are a stat the gun industry lives by.
That number comes from a survey of 251 people just eight months after the Brady Act went into effect. It asked whether the buyers thought the seller was a licensed dealer, and many only said "probably" or "probably not". Since FFLs were not required to perform background checks, buyers had no surefire way to tell whether the seller was a dealer--meaning that this 40% number absolutely cannot be used to describe the situation today. Come up with some statistics that aren't over 20 years old and then we'll talk. By the way, there's no such thing as a "private dealer". According to the ATF: "Under federal law, any person who engages in the business of dealing in firearms must be licensed." The exception to this is a guy who wants to sell a few personally-owned guns as a rare or one-time thing. I know you've never been to a gun show, but these guys don't buy tables because they have too little to sell.
What's this...? Violent crime always increases after firearm bans? When there are more firearms in society, the crime rates go down. Look at the US's crime statistics, 2/3rd's of people arrested commiting a crime with a firearm are repeat offenders. Inner City Gang violence is attributed to 76% of all violent firearm crime. (Still at the lowest crime rate in Recorded US history) Look at the UK's pre/post-ban numbers, it's horrible what that government did to its people.
I'm an avid firearm collector and I have to say your bottom statement is very untrue in my state. Most of the people at smaller gun shows are private sellers, but everyone around me has massive collections of firearms. The smallest amount I know of someone owning personally is 6. But I believe they have every right to take there firearms to a gun show to swap around and profit if they feel the need to, and I also don't believe the government should have to know about it, there's a reason they're not telling us everything about our military there's a reason we shouldn't tell them everything about he communities private ownership. Checks and balances.
I suppose you can't enlist the name "drug" dealer to talk about a dealer in drugs because he isn't licensed either ? Get real. Essentially, any one " dealing" in a commodity for a for profit can be called a dealer in normal conversation, whether they are licensed or not. According to the AFT ? ...that is a regulation, not a discussion. Private sellers do engage in dealing guns In secondary sales. It is illegal but as a private seller is not regulated and hard to catch and prove just like drug dealing is. Guess you have not been to gun shows if you want to deny either is going on.
I don't know about other states, but in my state and at least two adjoining states, no one can display and sell guns from a booth that is not a FFL registered dealer. While private sales my occur between individuals, they are limited by what they carry. Anyone trying to sell multiple guns out of their cars would be interviewed by the ATF which are always present and these events usually have a considerable number of LE that volunteer to check for loaded arms, contents of bags, working security, etc. for the shows I attend. Those that are FFL registered dealers would not take kindly to a non-FFL dealing any volume of guns at a gun show, it jeopardizes their livelihood. I periodically fix guns for a couple of dealers at local shows and know well their intolerance for illegal activity and they would be quick to inform.
As usual you are incoherent in your statements, either English is not your primary language, and you use a translation program. You can't compare an illegal dealer of drugs to a licensed pharmacist, or any licensed legal business, that is that why you have accountants and tax records etc... Also incidental purchases of spirits and cost sharing between freinds does not constitute any kind of business requiring a license or regulation, as defined by law.
So then the gun industry is dying off? If they live by firearms deaths, then they should be disappearing, as the murder rate (most of which is by guns) is at record low levels since the FBI started systematically recording murder rates in 1960. Our current murder rate is less than half of what it was 25 years ago. (murder rates in murders per 100,000 people) Murder rate 1960: 5.1 Murder rate 1991: 9.8 Highest murder rate recorded: 1980: 10.2 Murder rate 2014 (last available year): 4.5 http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
I'm talking about what the ATF considers to be a dealer, not what could be called a dealer in normal conversation. Did I ever deny that it happens? Of course it does--no laws go unbroken. But your 40% number is absurd for the reasons in my last post.
The stats I speak of are from the FBI, and my attendance at trade shows that have meetings and seminars. I have met with litterally thousands of instructors that we survey personally. Of the questions on the survey are... How many new shooters have enrolled in your classes? How many students in your classes in the past year? What percentage increase or decrease would you say this represents? Most all indicate a huge increase in student enrollment. No one has incentive to lie. This is for our personal assessment of the firearm instructor industry. I can tell you unequivocally, there has been a huge explosion in new shooter participation in classes across the country. The largest new demographic are women, it's really quite remarkable. Everything you base your opinion on regarding a shrinking gun owner base is a poll of about 1500 people. That's all you have.. A poll. If you think that 40% of the sellers at gun shows are not FFLs, then you have obviously never been to gun a gun show.
Where are these FBI stats on new owners? Largely anecdotal. "Homemade" surveys are not scientific. Which "poll" are you referring to?
