Can Bernie win with a Wiccan wife

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  1. The Great Zeus

    The Great Zeus New Member

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    I essentially agree...although I see Trump either getting the nomination or running as an independent.

    I was just answering the OP's question. ;)
     
  2. Ddyad

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    An RNC official has now reported that the GOP delegates are not required to vote for any specific candidate on the first ballot. Isn't that just a hoot! ;-)

    Maybe Trump and Sanders can form a 3rd party! Just kidding - I think.
     
  3. The Great Zeus

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    That is pretty funny...although you can't blame them for trying, I guess.

    If you saw some guy walking up to your house with a flame-thrower, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop him?
     
  4. junius. fils

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    Some guy in his 70s named Junius, fils finds him acceptable.
     
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    The few times I was invited in they did indeed shave and none were lesbians but bisexual.
     
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    Given the extent that hamster head scares & teddy-boy has p***ed off the repub leadership, I'd say my cat has a shot at it.
     
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    I understand the GOPs dislike for Trump, however, if they start changing rules to rig it so he isn't the nominee they are guaranteeing a Dem for president no matter WHO that Dem is. If the GOP didn't like Trump they should have thought about that months ago.
     
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    So, you are equating Roman Catholicism with Wiccan?
     
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    This post is particularly disturbing because it illustrates what insignificant things some people in this country find intriguing or somehow doubtful about their character. It's not the experience and honestly of a candidate or what his plans are for the future of this country and how he/she intends to accomplish goals. It's about appearances and whether the wife of a candidate is wearing a vest with 'symbols' on it.
     
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    Go to Bernie's website. He calls himself a secular Jew. Meaning he is an ethnic Jew, but is a Godless Atheist that does not practice Judaism.

    So many of Jewish Democrats in America are Godless pagans just like Bernie and his wife.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-4-religious-beliefs-and-practices/
     
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    Applogies for the diversion.

    I support the Jewish state of Israel, I support and in fact love my Jewish brethren as we are children of the same God of Abraham and Isaac. Jesus of Nazareth was himself, a semite.

    However the value of Israel is in the religious context of the land itslef. It is a Holy Land. The Jew who rejects Judasim is certainly entitled to this decision, however if one simultaneously rejects Judaism, rejects the Torah as a Holy Book, then indeed Israel itself is nothing more than dirt. There is no religious significance to Jerusalem, if there is no faith.

    Israel is a religious state, if it is not, this calls into question it's right to exist. The same would apply to the Vatican if the Pope and his congregation of bishops and cardinals rejected Christ as the Son of God. The Vatican would be no more than dirt of no significance beyond the value of the real estate.

    Israel exists because this is a Holy Land, it exists for the fatithful, if there s no faith, I call into question it's purpose to exist as a Jewish state.

    The foundation of Israel should be Judaism.

    Anyway, I apologize for this diversion...I do know that Sen. Sanders is ethnically a Polish Jew, however he has rejected the faith of Judaism,, you're correct.
     
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    That's all great, but there are some demographic facts that are going to soon make Israeli choose between being a democracy and being a Jewish state.

    42% of Israeli Jews are secular:
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3890330,00.html

    Another 21% are non-Jewish Arabs.

    So already, observant Jews are a minority in Israel.

    In 10 or 15 years, Jews will be a minority in the regions they control (including Gaza and the West Bank).
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/population-israelpalestine-projected/

    That provides strong impetus to move forward with creating a separate Palestinian state, lest you end up with a form of apartheid where a minority (Jews) is ruling over a majority of non-Jews.

    But In a few decades, it's quite likely that Jews of any sort will be a minority in Israel itself:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.531104

    At that point, Israel will have to choose: Are we a democracy, or are we a Jewish state? Because it seems unlikely that they could remain both.
     
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    The current state of Israel is only a tiny fraction of what was promised to Abraham. Also, I don't know enough about the DNA of Hebrews from over 2,000 years ago---and how well it would match most who call themselves Jews today in Israel.

    I believe there has been DNA ethnic profiles made from the few human remains that can be linked to them---but that is probably wouldn't match any better than the DNA from modern day Greeks.

    Israel is becoming less religious every day.
     
  15. Herkdriver

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    In the interest of peace, I'm curous why for example, Jerusalem would hold significance to the ethnic Jew.

    Most Jews today are not semites...this notion of establishing an ethnic state is equally fallacious as the ethnicity of Jewishness is mixed. The bonding of the tribes of Israel rests upon Judaism. The purely ethnic Jew, can live anywhere really, I know this may sound rather mad...(crazy), but much like Mormonism settled in Utah, I don't see why the United States can't establish a Jewish "state" right here. After the holocaust and the near elimination of almost all European jews, the argument was put forth, the tribes of Israel can no longer be a nomadic people. We need our own state and land. The Jewish state of Israel was created from the ashes of the holocaust. If the land itself no longer holds a relgious value, I don't see why Israelis simply don't move elsewhere. Why exacerbate the conflict with Palestinians and Arabs, move out of the neighborhood, if the land itself holds no spiriitual significance. Establish a jewish state in America, granted unofficially.
     
  16. raytri

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    I don't know. Why does Minnesota hold significance for Minnesotans? It's home.

    If you're talking about how you might decide to divide up the region to create a two-state solution, I'd think most secular Israelis would be willing to give up Jerusalem. But of course the religious Jews probably wouldn't.

    Maybe Jerusalem should become an open city, owned by neither, jointly administered by both.

    Yes, if the land itself isn't super important, a Jewish homeland could be established anywhere.

    But there are attachments to history and land for reasons other than religion. Especially now that there has been a modern Jewish state on that land for going on 70 years -- and large numbers of Jewish settlers in the region for decades before that. There are now social and cultural roots that will be hard for even secular Jews to give up.
     
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    Can Trump win with a Slavic nudie model who was his mistress???
     
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    There are all indications that she is 10 times smarter than you in your messages. The other Republicans are hiding their wives, aren't they? Particularly Ted Cruz and his Goldman Sach executive wife.

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    Yes, definitely.
     
  19. Herkdriver

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    I'm of Celtic descent. I have returned to Ireland a few times. One time a group of war protesters were assembling to argue against the use of Shannon airport as a refueling stop for military flights. This was in the mid-2000s and the conflict in Iraq was escalating. (In uniform) I was called "Baby killer"..."go home yank," assorted expletivess.

    My people....

    I'm American...Ireland is not my home it will never be my home, I went there, it has it's natural beauty, but it is not my home. Perhaps many years ago, my people called it home. I have a history with the land, but history only goes so far. Ireland is a foreign country to me, and the native Irish there are foreigners to me.

    I don't understand the ethnic Jews bond with what is basically an arid region void of much natural beauty. Yes, perhaps their people have a history there, but history is best left in the past.

    If Ireland held spiritual significance equilvalent to Jerusalem, as a Catholic I might think otherwise of it...but it doesn't. If I never set foot in Ireland again, I will not die with any regrets. I'm curious why the secular Jew holds on to Jerusalem.

    Anyway, I've hijacked this thread enough. Apologies to the OP.
     
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    Especially if my house was a gilded palace built from the GOP/DP protection/bribery racket.

    “Kasic “senior strategist, John Weaver, now says that Trump can be defeated through a contested convention. That arm-twisting delegates is the only option the anti-Trump forces are down to is proof that an entire Republican consulting class has already been defeated.” ROBERT DRAPERMARCH, Donald Trump and the Fall of the Republican Campaign Guru, 15, 2016.

    All the little Schmidtists are feeling the heat now. ;-)
     
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    The Koch brothers are probably giving your cat serious consideration - right now. ;-)
     
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    Entrenched political power tends to be overconfident.

    “Trump has laid to waste this tradition. If, as expected, he prevails in most of the primary elections tonight, the billionaire developer will most likely be the Republican Party’s nominee — and will have shredded a number of strategic master plans drawn up by his opponents’ well-paid advisers. And Trump will have accomplished this feat with a skeleton crew of largely unknown hired hands whose stated operating principle is ‘Let Trump Be Trump.’” By ROBERT DRAPERMARCH, Donald Trump and the Fall of the Republican Campaign Guru, 15, 2016.

    The GOP clearly needs to find new campaign advisors.
     
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    Just imagine, with Bernie as president, we could have covens meeting in the rose garden, or if it's large enough on the White House lawn. They could heat up their cauldrons and recite incantations and cast spells on all of us.
     
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    Maybe they'll even stand in the same spot where Nancy Reagan met with her astrologer.
     
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    I feel many will ex-out from Bernie once more information flows out about he and his family.
    99.9% of the country actually know nothing about Bernie that man, they only know Bernie the idea and are voting off of that idea of him.
    Church goers will not vote for Bernie Sander even if they are traditionally Democrat. Paganism is a game breaker for many and I wouldn't be surprised if many Atheist also say no bueno to his candidacy as well. Many aren't religious but their aren't ready to make the jump to Wicca either.

    Jane Sander is a major influence on Sanders policies and they are a package deal more than any prior president in history:
    In 2015, Bernie Sanders described his wife as "one of his key advisers", and he employed her at various times as "an administrative assistant, spokeswoman, policy adviser, chief of staff, and media buyer". In a 1996 article in The Washington Post, she was credited with helping him draft "more than 50 pieces of legislation".
    She has served in Sanders's Congressional office as Chief of Staff and as Policy and Press Adviser.


    The Democratic Parties anti-Clinton focus has left Sanders unvetted so far but their is a lot of negative angles to attack Sanders that make him a horrible candidate.
     

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