So when Atheists call religious people Shepple. I call atheist hedonists, because thats really what most atheists are like, this life is the only place we know so we may enjoy it like we wish, so sex, drugs, alcohol and stuff can be open to subjective interpretation and they are not bound by any moral rules in terms of divine judgement who judge the degenerated society. http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_hedonism But i have a question or well more of a joke. Leader = Ok people, follow me (They are in a fog but then) Atheist = Prrr, not gonna follow a shepple religious person, i am so smaaarter (Falls into a pit) Leader = Told you. So what would you respond to that situation? Most atheists act like this on the internet though, thats a fact though, just saying.
Atheists are taught morals by their parents and society. Laws are made to make people behave. Religion is a false threat to make people behave with a threat of hell. Atheists still have a conscience and are moral. They still volunteer, contribute to society, and have empathy. They are altruistic without having an imaginary man in the sky tell them they should be. Otherwise, people should be free to have fun and enjoy life (call it hedonism if you want). Why wait for heaven, if it doesn't exist?
Which are degenerated by subjectiveness, hereby proving my point. Christianity is what made the west as it is today, of course we have adopted secularism in new modern times, but it didnt go radical to import dozens of muslims or leaving our christian culture like ever since 60s to now, contraception and abortion and the fact that atheist dont really need to give birth to much children and is more about enjoyment in this life. Compared to objectiveness of not doing this which is found in the bible. Even if you had rules outside of it, psychologically you would feel distant compared to having God there.
It's always so cute to watch some Christians try and pretend they have roses growing from their butts ... Pathetic, but cute.
If humans cannot survive without self-delusion, then we deserve to go extinct. Religious belief is a delusion that just happens to help people get through life. It is a self-delusion, much like egalitarianism, that denies reality for the sake of ego protection. Why some of you people, who actually have the material means to engage in hedonism, insist on denying yourselves pleasure is completely beyond me.
So let me hear your so called rules of objectiveness. Atheism is afterall subjective which dies out considering secularism and islamic growth of strong culture. You dont have as much children due to hedonistic influence of life pleasure, contraception, drugs etc. In any case atheists exists to criticize cultural value but dont have one because it doesnt serve a purpose of having it. But of course as little rebelous man children, they do exist in our society and our dialouges have given them much freedom. Most societies in the past were usually degenerated mostly with drunkards and weird messed up cultures. But i hope you dont cut yourself on the thorns in islamic countries atleast. That would be the opposite of cute i think And the belief in philosophical afterlife of nothing and nothing is responsible for life is the best delusion atheists can come up with. Because they need that emptyness to fill their lives with alcohol and drugs and fairy tales like Star Wars and Star Trek. I mean divine judgement of degeneration is not canon in that case for them, because improving oneself is just too hard and that one dont need to be bound by those objective rules, so they'd rather stick to subjectiveness and let society colapse that way into a pure degeneration, atheistic utopia .
We are all hedonist as all we do we do to make us happy on some level. Even in my most altruistic moment I gain pleasure from helping others. If helping others caused nothing but blinding agony I would be a much more selfish person. Religion makes some happy and I see the pursuit of Heaven as very hedonistic.
Yeah i have heard that, Christian Hedonism, which in my opinion is pure scriptural twisting. Life is a gift from God, that is true. But if life exists only for pleasure and involving god in it then thats just pure twisting of God's word. To involve life pleasure with god is really silly. Use common sense and trust in God, but worldly possession is more or less an enemy. So i hate those hippy atheist christians as i call them who tries to use that nonsense on it. Just saying.
Yet Christianity is not in universal agreement on the subject of morality thus an object demonstration of the subjectivity of morality in Christianity.
The entire OP could be translated as "I think I'm better than atheists since they don't believe as I do". Gee, haven't heard THAT one before.
- Those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find Peace. Buddha (400 years before Christ). - Better than worshipping gods is obedience to the laws of righteousness. Buddha (400 years before Christ). - No one can save us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path. Buddha (400 years before Christ).
Who's interpretation of the Bible is the correct interpretation, who gets to decide this for all and by what authority? Billions of Christians do the above yet not all Christians come to the same conclusion on moral issues. Please cite the Bible passage that justifies your hate. Those who hate do not walk the path of Jesus. Your bias is revealed.
Different Atheists believe different things. its absurd & ignorant to lump them all together as being Hedonists.
Why? Parents are human beings, just like the authors of the bible. There is no reason that their morality would be inherently worth less than what is contained in the bible. And if the divine aspect is throwing you off, have the parents write down their morality in a book, and then they truly will be on equal footing.
I think you're misinterpreting hedonism. Atheism has no position, implicit or explicit, on intrinsic value, and you will find a wide variety of views on this topic within atheism. Many people (like myself) regard the entire concept as meaningless. True. And isn't this a great thing? Replace "atheist" with "dickhead" and that's pretty accurate.
You sure do find a lot of things meaningless for someone so young lol (are you really a preteen?). By the way, I'm sorry I haven't responded to your other post on the thread you created about future economic/social development. My laptop broke, and I only recently managed to procure a new one. I'll get around to posting over there soon. Atheism in itself may not lead to hedonism, though materialism is certainly more closely linked. I consider myself a scientific materialist and tend to be what most would call a hedonist--I find value in "carnal pleasures" more than anything else.
We all enter into a social contract, and we're a moral animal because the well-being of the whole is advantageous to the individual. Just like bonobos, elephants, bats, dolphins, and other social animals. - - - Updated - - - Christian hedonism: "I can do anything because Jesus will always forgive me."
Only in terms of which religion is most true, in case of one God. Which i have concluded on Christianity. As for other religions in terms of pagans atleast, they are more on differences, like stories and stuff, its not really essential in terms of rejecting that belief in it. So i'd say its as objective as it can be. Compared to thoughts and ideals of humans. Because atheists are manchildren who wants to be better than religious people and wants special attention. So yup i am better and religious people are better than them. I guess thats what atheists love to hear and i am giving it to them Catholics or Orthodox. The one true foundation of it, protestantic version has failed in newer times, gay marriage is evidence for that. They have usually documents and stuff to back up their faith years behind so it cant be twisted atleast one has to ignore all of it which would ruin the idea of a true church. Protestantic churches dont really care so much for that, which is why its easier to twist more or less. God does not hate, the one who doesnt have love. That is true. But then again Jesus wasnt so happy in terms of sins, he came to sinners to help them because they didnt know better. Atheists are well aware of what they are doing, they just dont care. Besides atheists dont really care anyways which is why they are lost either way. Hippy christianity is a myth created by moronic atheists to just make it easier for them, by their own stupid interpretation. Your whole post is a contradiction 'cause you dont really care about God, so why in the world do you care? Atheist by deffinition just timewasters and thats all they are in general. Atheists lump Christians everyday, or liberal media or anyone. Couldn't really give much of a hoot to what they think. I know. TheAmazingAtheist on YouTube has tons of good morals. You'd probably love that degenerated stuff
Yeah, I suppose I'm rather inclined to as a linguist (or rather, wannabe linguist); my incessant semantic quibbling means I have some strict standards when it comes to defining concepts. (I'm 14 so not technically a preteen anymore, but when I first made an account here I was 12. I'd like to think I know better now than to indicate my age in my username). Oh it's cool. I look forward to your response. I'm also a materialist and would be the last to underestimate the pleasure-factor of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, but this isn't what hedonism generally refers to in philosophy. Hedonism is, broadly, the idea that pleasure of any sort is the most important or only phenomenon with intrinsic value, and I don't think materialists are any more predisposed to make such a judgement than idealists or dualists.
Well, we may not agree on everything, but you are clearly quite gifted, given your ability to grapple with abstraction at such a young age. I don't think I could have expressed myself as well as you do when I was your age, and I am considered to be quite intelligent, in terms of psychometric evaluations. Then again, I aspired to be a drug lord when I was your age, so that factors in to the discussion lol. I agree with this statement, though I don't think most people make this distinction. When people discuss hedonism, they are referring to more banal pleasures, not the higher level pleasures that Mill, for instance, was concerned with. I am a hedonist in the sense that I pursue pleasure, of any kind, above all else.
This is the funniest, and saddest, thing I've seen in a while. A person who's life revolves around a fairy tale is calling atheists man-children. Wow. The equivalent of a 4-year-old who believes in Santa is calling me a man-child.
