Why blacks don't need Civil Rights

I could never understand how the rule of the richest/strongest is going to benefit common people. It looks more like going back to medieval ages, where a few people totally dominated the rest, and could make their own laws which would benefit only themselves.

 

Yep, its also the same with a pure democracy (mob rule). The constitutional republic was the middle of the road, best compromise we could have. Now granted, I believe the US is to big and over populated for it to still work. And there have been amendments added and some ignored that take away all accountability to person "A" voting for something that "person B" will have to give up even when they don't live in the same state.

 

The original civil rights movement was—just like the name suggests—more about actual civil rights than it was about "equality" and "not being discriminated against". That little fact seems to have become forgotten by many people, probably because over the years progressives had hopped aboard the civil rights train and diverted it more towards their own agenda.

One of the huge complaints amongst Black people at that time was that they were suffering injustice at the hands of the police and courts. In fact, several States were essentially putting huge numbers of Black people back into slavery, long after the slavery had been officially abolished by making use of the "punishment for crime" loophole in the Thirteenth Amendment.

http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/the-book/excerpt/

In fact, in some ways the injustice had only increased; convicted criminals were treated even worse than slaves had been.

 

Please explain how that has anything to do with the "free market" (which is a fantasy to begin with) failing to end segregation in the South between 1865 and 1965

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It's called an oligarchy and that's where the GOP has been for years.

The GOP base has just now begun to realize it but unfortunately their response....has been Trump

 

OMG, I never said there WAS a free market during that time. I said "The free market would have worked itself out IF the federal government just stopped at keeping the local governments from imposing their will upon the people who owned businesses." Can you comprehend that statement? IF there is no government controls on who gets a business license, there is a free market that would have catered to those people who preferred a desegregated establishment over the segregated ones. But they were never given that chance.

You don't think there is an oligarchy in the democrats camp? Queen Hillary was the supposed nominee from the word "go". Bernie supporters tried to make a run, but they were flat out told "NO, she's the nominee via super delegates". The GOP has known about the rule of the establishment for years, that why Romney lost and Gary Johnson received the most votes in libertarian party history in 2012.

 

So the free market sprung up after the civil rights act?

WTF are you babbling about?

Is your idiotic claim that segregation was forced on the south by racist state governments and wouldn't have existed without that?

Are you serious?

 

the civil rights act bans laws that take away equal rights, they do not give black people equal rigths

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You don't think there is an oligarchy in the democrats camp? Queen Hillary was the supposed nominee from the word "go". Bernie supporters tried to make a run, but they were flat out told "NO, she's the nominee via super delegates". The GOP has known about the rule of the establishment for years, that why Romney lost and Gary Johnson received the most votes in libertarian party history in 2012.

By the very nature of government, the wealthy will always have the majority of power.

But it's become plain that Democrats have policies that do a heck of a lot more for people who aren't rich than the GOP.

The GOP will give small tax cuts to the middle class...as long as they get BIG tax cuts for the wealthy...and that's about the extent of what they'll do for anyone not in their class.

 

OMG, no. The pendulum swung too far in the opposite direction and put more concessions on business owners. Now they have to serve everyone instead of being able to show their bigotry and going out of business because of it. Its not black and white here, there are many varying levels of grey.

Yes it was. To get a license from the local governments to open shop, you had to be white, and show a segregation plan. That's call coercion and the government always uses these licenses to force their will upon the people.

 

Well unlike you I'm not a black man but I think most of you would rather continue fighting (or "begging" as you patronizingly put it) for full equality instead of give up all the progress and go back 100 years ago.

All Americans should be treated the same.

White people have the right to vote, so should blacks.
White people have access to public schools, so should blacks.
White people have protection from police, so should blacks.

 

My bet is you are too young to know how it was...

 

really?

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No, no they don't. The rich get one vote, the poor get one vote. The group that has the most people with the same philosophy will win the elections.

Like raise the poverty rate? Raise taxes on the poor? Raise insurance costs? Raise inflation rates? Sure, that's great help. Poverty rate is higher now under Obama than Bush. House hold incomes are lower. More flat taxes on cell phones, gas, internet, sales, etc have hurt the poor more than the rich. Insurance rates have risen far more since Obamacare was enacted and those who didn't want it, are now forced to buy something they didn't want. These were the middle class young health adults. These are some flat taxes just from Obamacare legislation.
http://www.atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996

Wow, you are going with overall numbers and not percentages. Sorry that you don't make as much as the rich and only can get MORE than what you paid into taxes back, but the rich don't get to collect everything back at the end of the year. The poor had by far the largest tax cuts from Bush. About 50% of their taxes were cut while the top only got cut by 3%.

 

Yes, and I would challenge you to ask, how is allowing any government program to black people is actually "pro-black" or help them in any way?

 

Because not all men have been created. In this country all men are created equal, except some are created more equal than others. And unfortunately that has been a reality for centuries, and not a joke.

And in the end, up until the Civil Rights movement, it took a government for blacks to have some resemblance to Rights. What I am saying is this; your opinion about rights is moot, because no one in the eighteenth century cared about your opinion on natural rights. If we had gone by that, you'd still be in the Jim Crow days today. So thank your lucky stars that no one from the Twentieth century ever took you up on that idea.

 

Dude...I've asked this before.

What planet do you live on?

The GOP does NOTHING for anyone who isn't rich. Nothing.

They'll give out a tiny tax break for middle class people but only if their rich buddies get a very BIG one.
Regardless of your per centage nonsense...we're talking about tax breaks that equal more than a lot of middle class folks MAKE.

As to what the Dems do?

A. The economy runs better when they are in power and there are more jobs.

B. They fund programs that HELP the middle class and poor...like education loans and grants and training programs.

C. The protect Social Security...which the GOP has been trying to kill for nearly 100 years.

The same can be said about Medicaid and Medicare.

Now all those things may not mean much to you (and they're only a small part of what Dems support) but to most middle class and poor folks they mean a lot.

And I didn't even mention healthcare...

 

So your magical free market would have solved segregation huh?

When does this fantasy start?

As far as your Democratic Party oligarchy

By the very nature of government, the wealthy will always have the majority of power.

But it's become plain that Democrats have policies that do a heck of a lot more for people who aren't rich than the GOP.

And those policies have been explained partially above.

 

why do we need civil rights laws?

cause lots of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) racist pigs need clear guidelines to tell them that they cannot discriminate against people in housing, education, employment, due to reasons of racial prejudice.

 

I challenge you to explain why you think taking away voting rights and public schools from blacks is a good thing

that would be like a women saying she did not think women should be allowed to vote or be allowed to go to public schools.... who does that?



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This thread belongs on one of the David Duke site or Storm Front

 

Your ignorance to the idea that business owners would value a profit over racism or go out of business shows how little you know of economics and human nature.

Name one policy that has helped the poor more than the rich from democrats.

 

You assume that public schools and police services are actually great things for black people, and they're not. Most police are negligent in black communities, really don't do a lot of prevent crime in these communities, and in general just end up harassing innocent people. Without a doubt, police are nothing but bullies in the black community. And they really don't serve an actual purpose. The go around beating up and shooting black people, YET black people have to waste their tax dollars on basically people who bully them. So how does keeping them around solve any issues? Oh yeah it doesn't.

Next public schools. Public schools in the black community is an absolute joke. No one with half a brain would ever defend public schools. We all know at this point that public schools are only indoctrination centers, that teach nothing of value. And it has nothing to do with funding, the US government throws a lot of money at the problem. It still help. And the reason why because if you're poor and black, the last thing that's going to save you is government. This is why I believe in black people educating their own people. Eventually people will design a curriculum that will actually train black people correctly.

As for voting rights, if blacks don't vote, then politicians will stop making promises to black people. The thing you don't realize about us (because I am a black man) is that we LOVE promises from the government. Black people fall for it all of the time. It is mostly because black people love being acknowledged by the government for the most part. And all black people will do every time is vote against their own self interest because a politician will get up and say anything. I think we need to remove political exploitation in the black community. And allow black people to only think of themselves when it comes to solving problems.

 

This is a chicken and the egg scenario. Blacks don't want police in their neighborhoods, but then chastise police when crimes are committed and the response is not fast enough. Plus, whites are more likely to be shot and killed than blacks.

I agree with you on most of it, but I put the blame of failing schools on the unions that aren't there to ensure the kids get a good education, but so they can collect more revenue from the teachers who cant be fired and don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about educating the students.

Agree with the pandering, disagree with the solution. As stated before, a lot of cops stay out of the black community because they aren't wanted there. This leaves gangs and essential war lords to run the communities. Its the same in Irish neighborhoods, so its not just a black thing. But when it comes to gangs and thugs policing their own, there really is no justice, just makeshift lynch mobs in the form of drive by shooting parties.

 

I think the problem with focusing on blighted, high crime areas and calling them "black" is that they're really not black, they're populated by the bottom 10% of blacks. I could take you to a number of Detroit suburbs and show you white neighborhoods that are just as bad but that wouldn't be indicative of most whites.

 

Great post....obviously someone that can think outside the box and truly understand that the current thinking about the black situation is totally erroneous.

I do think the Federal Government has a role to play...to finance the repatriation of Blacks to Africa...for those who would like to go back...Abraham Lincoln was correct there are just too many differences between blacks and whites for us to ever live together on a equal basis....

The Federal government should initiate talks with Liberia....buy a lot of land, negotiate a understanding and policy of American Blacks settling in Liberia....such an operation would be financed by America until the blacks were able to sustain themselves...such an operation would serve as a magnet and example of what Blacks could do if motivated ....this is something Trump might understand....for sure none of the professional politicians in Washington have any clue in regards to this or any other way to solve our racial problems.